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Apple: FBI Wants Access To Many Different iPhones

Despite the FBI's insistence that it's focused on the San Bernardino terrorism case, authorities want access to more than one iPhone.

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Ashu001
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2/24/2016 | 8:46:37 AM
Did'nt John McAfee offer to do it for the FBI for Free?
Thomas,

What's your take on John McAfee(The US Presidential Candidate for the Libertarian Party) offer to Unlock the Terrorists iPhone for Free and that to WITHOUT a Backdoor?

What does the FBI have to lose by taking up that offer?

The more I read about the case,the more I realize that as it is all Previous iPhones(upto iOS 7) used to handover all consumer Data directly to the NSA(very clear in Snowden Documents);so what makes them feel they won't be able to get the same Data from the NSA even today?

All they have to do is Ask the NSA???

I am not surprised that there is next to Zero Coverage of the Libertarian Party in MSM but that does'nt mean he is'nt the Real Deal.

Why not takeup John McAfee on his offer on a test-run?As it is Apple has admitted that because the FBI changed the Passcode on that particular iPhone they won't be able to retreive most of the Data ;that's when we call the Pros,The real Pros. Don't we?
Thomas Claburn
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2/24/2016 | 6:38:50 PM
Re: Did'nt John McAfee offer to do it for the FBI for Free?
>What does the FBI have to lose by taking up that offer?

Its data, after 10 incorrect guesses. I doubt the FBI would gamble on McAfee's attempt without some assurance of success.
Ashu001
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2/25/2016 | 8:39:44 AM
Re: Did'nt John McAfee offer to do it for the FBI for Free?
Thomas,

Yes I figured that must have been one of the obstacles(apart from further Politicizing this event);but is'nt that what happened eventually?

After the FBI handed over the same to Apple-This is precisely what they said-"We are unable to retrieve the data because the Passcode has been changed.";Why not take up the offer of McAfee's Team atleast for a few oppurtunities?

Anyways,no point in debating this issue any further as the data is now lost for all practical purposes thanks to typical Government Incompetence.

 
PedroGonzales
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2/25/2016 | 10:24:26 AM
Re: Did'nt John McAfee offer to do it for the FBI for Free?
I'm sure that if the American government is able to do this.  Dictatorial countries will no doubt use that as a precedent and regular citizens will suffer in the end.   What will be the alternatives; can the government really force tech companies to have any door whether is back or front access to the government watch?
stevew928
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2/25/2016 | 11:50:23 AM
Re: Did'nt John McAfee offer to do it for the FBI for Free?
I doubt it was incompetence. I think they knew exactly what they were doing. I doubt they even care about what is on THIS phone... it's simply a good emotional case to try and push through.

Why didn't they just wait until the phone made it's next backup?

If there is any incompetence, it was the shooters employer in how they set it up, otherwise they'd already be in. But, I'm doubting the FBI doesn't understand how these phones work and just went, oopsie!
stevew928
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2/25/2016 | 11:57:07 AM
Democracy???
re: "They assert that they're not asking for a back door. 'Complying with constitutionally legal court orders is not 'creating a back door'; in a democracy, that is a front door.'"

I'm not sure what 'a democracy' has to do with anything, but the USA is *supposed* to be a Constitutional Republic. So, it's irrelevant what that Pew poll says, unless enough of the public wants to push through a Constitutional ammendment overturning the 4th ammendment.

Given that the role of government is to 'protect and defend the Constitution' not 'protect the American people' it doesn't much matter that some crazy judge ordered Apple to do something unconstitutional, democracy or not.
Ashu001
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2/25/2016 | 12:56:32 PM
Re: Did'nt John McAfee offer to do it for the FBI for Free?
Pedro,

This is precisely the issue/worry raised by not just Apple but by most of the Tech Industry in America.

How would America react if Russia demanded that Apple unlocked a phone of a suspicious person in Russia?Or worse,provide a backdoor?

We (both society & IT industry in particular)just are'nt ready/prepared for such a situation today.

I have no doubt though about the Hue and Cry the US Govt will raise if the Putin Administration raises such a request.LOL!!!
mak63
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2/26/2016 | 3:25:42 AM
Re: Did'nt John McAfee offer to do it for the FBI for Free?
The American government would say we can't allow the Russian, Chinese or whoever to get their hands on this tech, because only the USA are the good guys.
Anyway, I don't believe the FBI can allow McAfee to get their hands on the iPhone being evidence and such.
Why I don't get is that, someone, at the FBI requests changed the iCloud password. It's my understanding that in order to do that, you need to have the old password. I think the FBI screwed up this case (read iPhone) really bad already.
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2/26/2016 | 9:04:01 AM
Re: Did'nt John McAfee offer to do it for the FBI for Free?
mak63,

Its not just that aspect(where FBI screwed up so royally when it comes to these iPhones);if you simply connect an iPhone to a "known" Wi-fi Network;it automatically backsup all its Data to the iCloud.

Could'nt the FBI have simulated a known "Wi-Fi Network" in their Tech Lab for this case?

Its not that difficult(all you need to do is find out the IP Address,MAC address,and Device Details of the existing Wi-Fi router which was on its list of Known Wi-Fi Networks) and then create a Pseudo Network in the Lab.Once you have this network connected to the iPhone its then a simple question of retrieving all the relevant data either before it leaks into the iCloud or then Serving a subpeoana with Apple to retrieve the relevant data.

This is what happens when you have Full-time Government Buearacratts and not Top-notch Pros handling such issues.

Frankly speaking I am not really surprised that the FBI screwed up so badly.

 

 
Ashu001
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2/26/2016 | 9:10:26 AM
Re: Did'nt John McAfee offer to do it for the FBI for Free?
Steve,

My reading of the case so far gave me this basic idea-Only if you connect an iPhone to a known "Wi-Fi Network" does it backup to  the iCloud.

Apparently,the FBI was totally clueless to how this worked and try to force their hand against the in built safeguards in the iOS Operating System which eventually locked them out of the Phone entirely.

After that in their desperation they went over to Apple but then the phone was beyond useless.

If that on its own does'nt explain the total incompetence of the FBI nothing really will.

Will it?

 
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