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bguesman
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11/10/2011 | 8:14:15 PM
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The Educational system in this country (not immigration) is the real problem here. If we had more focus on being proficient in certain disciplines or obtaining specific skills vs. being "well rounded" we would be able to overcome our jobless woes. For example, people from other countries in their early years focus on science & engineering in their home countries then come to the U.S. and get a degree in the Medical or Technology fields. In the meantime our kiddies are taught just a little bit of everything and continue to graduate with majors such as "Women's Studies" or "Communications". I read an article about a female that went to Yale and graduated with a degree in "Women's Studies" and "History" and now wonders why she can't find a job or pay her $280,000 in college debt.

We need to change the education system in this country in order to compete!
phenry017
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11/10/2011 | 8:10:40 PM
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Are you deliberately avoiding my question? How many fortune 500 companies were founded BY H-1B HOLDERS? Cue the crickets.
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11/10/2011 | 8:09:54 PM
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phenry017 is 100% right on. Rob Preston confuses the issues (not sure if on purpose or not). There is a difference between people coming to America to start better lives for themselves and their children, and people who come here to do a job for a little while and go back overall not really contributing to the society other than letting the big corp keep more money in their pockets. If a company builds software outside of our borders and wants to sell it in the US, they should pay import duties. That's how it works in every other industry.
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11/10/2011 | 8:01:53 PM
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Rob, you are mixing two completely separate issues. You introduce the piece by talking about IT offshoring, then ignore that issue completely until briefly touching on it in your final paragraph. Offshoring is a much more serious issue than that of foreign nationals working here; at least if they work here, they spend their money here and pay taxes here.

You take the stance that the government should not have a role in addressing offshoring - whatever happened to the notion of government of the people by the people and FOR the people? Government's role in the offshoring issue is to create an environment that levels the playing field at least somewhat for US workers, for example by providing tax incentives to companies to employ people in the US and/or withholding tax incentives from companies that ship jobs overseas. All companies that claim tax credits or writeoffs should have those reduced or eliminated based on any offshoring activities.
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11/10/2011 | 8:00:58 PM
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We're talking about two different things here. Skilled and highly educated immigrants, entrepreneurs were always welcome and theyG«÷ve done tremendous service to this country. But the current majority of foreign IT workers on H1-B visas are far from that. They are less skilled then their American counterparts for the most part and they serve one purpose, cost reduction. They simply willing to do it for less and the current PC craze makes the perfect environment for them and the companies employing them to thrive. The clients then pay the price for this. If youG«÷re an IT worker in the USA today, can you recall at least one project that failed for the mentioned reasons? Anyone named the real reasons of the failure? I didnG«÷t think so. Yes, we need skilled workforce but the golden rule applies just like anywhere else: you got what you paid for.
phenry017
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11/10/2011 | 7:58:50 PM
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Believe it or not, the vast amount of immigration to the US does not come through cheap labor visa's.
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11/10/2011 | 7:21:10 PM
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I really liked you comment over all

but I don't believe there should be restrictions during tough economic time and looser restrictions during growth. There should be tuning to economic needs present and future (tomorrow 's economy (meaning in 10-20 or more years) starts today. The crisis period arise from poor planning from politicians, which always steer the boat after they hit the rock, despite seeing coming a mile away.

And in a global economy, you can't completely dismiss cheap labor. It is an inherent part of free market. The problem is when it is overtaken by greed not only from big companies by also from people. If a tomato US grown cost double one from Chile, how many people will get the more expensive one to support their country?
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11/10/2011 | 7:11:49 PM
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"I am a scientist and since "taking an american job", the inventions I created have led to the creation of multiple positions, including two scientists positions. Let alone I pay healthy taxes, bought a house etc... "

And you don't represent the majority of people on the H-1b visa, who are primarily junior level, paid below market wage, here on temporary assignment with a staffing firm, and changing jobs puts them at risk of losing their visa. Not to mention they are unable to start their own business.

As a scientist appreciative of numbers and facts, you must also appreciate common economic principles - such as the law of supply and demand. There is a finite demand for most of the jobs being filled by H-1b workers. Filling that demand where there is no shortage doesn't create jobs, it only reduces the earning power of those already here.

Unfortunately, if you are on an H-1b visa and like the majority of people on that visa unable to gain permanent residency status, you will be forced to take your knowledge back home and compete against us. I don't know your particular situation, but supporting a program that builds our future competition is dumb.

Your moniker is "FreeMarketeer" so I assume you hold a free-market ideology. What is free market about employer sponsored immigration programs? Or do you think the free market should only apply to industry, and labor should have lesser freedom?

As to the 40% statistic, that number was arrived at by profiling surnames. That isn't accurate (some would call it racist). Also most companies have numerous founders, so if just one is a foreign citizen or child of one, that company counts in that statistic as if the company was 100% foreign founded. That statement isn't to diminish the role that foreign people play in business, but to set the record straight. That statistic was provided by an activist researcher, not someone conducting independent study.
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11/10/2011 | 7:05:15 PM
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how do you think they came in ??
FreeMarketeer
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11/10/2011 | 7:02:31 PM
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Do you have evidence to back up the numbers you are proposing?

if let's say100 (conservative number) fortune 500 companies are founded by immigrants or son of an immigrant (for example Steve Jobs). They have created more than the ten thousands of jobs in US.

This being said there is a need to spend time thinking on whether there is a greed component to the hiring of immigrants. I believe it does exist but have a hard time believing it is a major factor although I have no data to back that up. If it is in certain companies it certainly is and they should pay a price, although I would not expect this to be very effective
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