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Henry Hertz Hobbit
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11/12/2011 | 7:22:27 AM
re: Apple Excommunicates iOS Cracker
Will somebody please pass the hemlock? Charlie Miller, I suggest you put that anger to use by improving the security of the various Linux distros and Android instead. I for one would welcome these other products getting enhanced security. Charlie, if you drop me a line I will tell you what I use personally so you can start making them more secure first. Apple doesn't think their products are practically perfect. Apple thinks their products and the way they do everthing is perfect. Good. Let the black-hats shatter that delusion of invincibility from now on.
Henry Hertz Hobbit
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11/12/2011 | 6:17:43 AM
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It is fair if they do the same thing to everybody else. It is always unproductive to turn down information that can be used to improve your product.
Henry Hertz Hobbit
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11/12/2011 | 6:15:34 AM
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As a former NSA Analyst, Charlie Miller has found a perfectly good home. Meet the Advisory board:

http://www.accuvant.com/about/...

Charlie has top security research billing where he is at which is much better than working for Apple. OTOH, did you mean that "make him an offer he can't refuse" in the same vein as something being offered by the goodfellas? In that case, I think that Apple has already done that.
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11/10/2011 | 12:36:03 AM
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Miller does all of us real service. He's done it for awhile, alerting Apple and others to potential flaws. Apple has clearly not been closed to that; it has maintained its relationship with him. It has continued to approve and publish his apps.

A distinction has to be made between describing flaws and offering proof of concept on request perhaps in a test environment vs introducing a potential portal for malware in a production app whilst doing the publicity circuit to describe how it works. That's clearly in violation of his contract with Apple, which presumably he signed without a gun pointed at his temple.

What's more, since a curated environment is part of Apple's branding, they have to defend it. If they had not responded firmly to this breach of protocol there would have been complaints from the other direction. Google can get away with backing out 50 apps with malware after the fact. Its users prize so called openness and assume such risks. Apple cannot afford to take that approach at this point.

So Miller's out of the app store for one year. That's enough to show they mean business. Hopefully they will encourage him to continue looking for flaws and reporting them. Hopefully a full relationship can resume after a year. Hopefully others with Miller's interests will find a more effective way of handling such situations in future.

Hey Apple, while you're at it, close that loophole. . .
Tom LaSusa
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11/9/2011 | 8:58:35 PM
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Whew...thank goodness someone got the reference! ;-)

Tom LaSusa
InformationWeek Community Manager and lifelong Whovian
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11/9/2011 | 7:41:24 PM
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Miller is showing the kind of thinking outside the box that is required to find and expose security flaws. Accuvant is lucky to have him as a consultant. Apple on the other hand is showing the kind of stick to the policy thinking that will turn them into the next big company that puts stockholders and company policy before customers and innovation.
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11/9/2011 | 3:24:33 PM
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Bow ties are cool.
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11/9/2011 | 2:25:55 PM
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So, the guy finds a flaw that could potentially hurt Apple where it really matters and they punish him? Steve, you left too soon...
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11/9/2011 | 1:06:58 AM
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Agree to some extent, but as a professional you need to speak up when it is on topic and the company's policy or decision is plain wrong. And a good company will thank you for it, admit that you are right, and give you a good position where you can put your skills to better use. Why do you think other companies pay bounties for bug hunters?
But Apple is run by morons who are so far from reality that this idiotic move is no surprise.
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11/8/2011 | 11:40:23 PM
re: Apple Excommunicates iOS Cracker
To TheUO's point below, how many readers think this will have an impact on research into iOS bugs/malware by legitimate researchers? What do you think that impact will be?
Brian Prince, InformationWeek/Dark Reading Comment Moderator
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