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Microsoft Needs 3 Surface Tablets: 3 Reasons
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Cynique
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8/10/2013 | 4:41:02 PM
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MIcrosoft has enjoyed and benefited well from a 30+ year hegemony. They've morphed (as Google is presently doing) from an idealistic business trying to make a change for the better into a greedy capitalistic monster.

I don't mind seeing MS decline as there are a dozen idealistic and REALLY creative young companies ready to fill the void. It's time.
rradina
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8/12/2013 | 5:08:46 PM
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Has Microsoft ever been idealistic? From Bill Gates purchase of DOS to the class action lawsuits stemming from customers paying for Windows even if they didn't order it with a new desktop, hasn't Microsoft ALWAYS followed the money?
Even when they almost "missed" the Internet and had to "innovate" by adding IIS (an HTTP server) to Windows NT, they demanded license fees for every seat that hit the server or a pretty hefty CPU license fee. (In terms of licensing, they viewed HTTP the same as SMB). I believe they used to offer an "Internet Connection" license when businesses used IIS for public sites, but IMO, it's few and far between that MS has given away anything. True, they did give away Internet Explorer but I don't know if anyone can call IE the produt of an idealist. Starting with IE4, Microsoft started offering very alluring but proprietary extensions that to do this day still cause forward compatibility issues and force many corporations to keep older versions of IE on their desktops.
Understand that they operate in a free country and they can create whatever products they desire and charge whatever the market will pay. I have no problem with this. I'm just tossing out the view from the other side since I've never thought of them as idealists.
Regarding Windows XP, if someone purchased it in 2001 and has either kept that same PC or transferred their XP license to more modern hardware, it's hard to argue that it wasn't money well spent. Microsoft has continued to release free security fixes for over a decade. I still don't think that qualifies them as idealists.
AlfieJr
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8/10/2013 | 5:29:48 PM
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boy ME, you must love fantasy football too.

Surface RT is dead as a dodo. simply because no one needs it - at all. if you want a cheap commodity tablet, you get some Android. if you want ecosystem, you get iPad. they both have XBox apps even.

the RT is a total rerun of the Zune flop, except worse - the Zune never saw a $1 billion write-off. pull the plug.

now the Pro does have a definite global niche market - all those die-hard Windows IT guys. there has to be at least a million of them and i'm sure every last one will buy it. most already probably have. after that, well, we'll see.
StevenABaby
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8/11/2013 | 2:36:21 PM
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I agree
Microsoft gave it their best shot and RT was a 100% total failure while the Pro version got picked up a little, although very little, by IT guys who don't like the idea of supporting a new ecosystem. So I would say RT is going to continue losing money for Microsoft for as many years as they decide to sell it. I don't think there's a lot of promise for Pro either. IT pros will buy the thing, but eventually longer term they'll be transitioning to probably Linux. If MS wants to stay in the game, they ought to be working on a Linux operating system of their own; otherwise, they're going to experience a long drawn out decline into oblivion, sorta like cobal.
TerryB
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8/12/2013 | 5:46:11 PM
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I sometimes wonder if some of you know what an "IT Pro" is and what we do. One clue, we could care less about o/s, only what applications can run on the o/s. An o/s by itself is worthless.
COBOL is still around, running key things like taking care of your money in the banking system, after 50+ years. It runs on servers, not client devices. For business applications on the server side, COBOL still makes more sense than java, regardless how many people actually use it today for such applications.
Gadgety
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8/10/2013 | 6:05:18 PM
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Surface Pro, cool running Haswell with Intel Iris Pro 5200 graphics, 1TB SSD, Thunderbolt, LTE for data instead of just WiFi. That would be a real "Pro" device. Join RT and WP, because what WP should do, RT does. A 6-6.5 inch RT/WP device would be great.
rradina
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8/12/2013 | 5:17:48 PM
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RE: Join RT and WP. Other than the software Microsoft includes with RT(namely office), RT is a subset of Pro. When you say join them, Pro is already everything RT is except for add-on software. Is that what you mean by join (i.e. include free Office in Pro)?
RT is nothing more than a version of Pro that runs on ARM. It's been recompiled and combined with an ARM HAL. IMO, it's Pro's genetic clone that ended up being Dr. Evil's "mini me". Of course RT won't run any x86 software because the ARM architecture doesn't speak x86.
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8/12/2013 | 9:16:13 PM
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"WP"==Windows Phone
He's saying Microsoft tablet devices should be running Windows Phone and not Windows or Windows RT. The name is a bit of a problem, though.
rradina
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8/13/2013 | 11:48:07 AM
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Oh... I thought WP meant Windows Pro (WP). Regardless, I thought Windows Phone 8 (WP8) was using the same kernel. Isn't this shift why WP7 devices could not be upgraded to WP8? Isn't it all one OS and one experience as the slogan touts?
Palpatine
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8/11/2013 | 1:02:49 PM
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why it would not work:
1) people does not like tiles, offering it in 3 sizes is not an answer
2) OEM are now competitors to MS (we'r a device company now, nuff said), any hw release from ms will not excite them, if not in order to issue a non ms based counteroffer to kill the competitor
3) fanfare did not work with major version, repeting the same strategy again and again meets the Einstein's definition og Ballmercy.
Laurianne
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8/12/2013 | 3:25:48 PM
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A $200 or $300 Microsoft tablet would change the nature of this whole discussion. An attractive entry-level price point has to be an option at holiday shopping time this year. But match the Nexus price? That's going to be hard for MS.
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8/12/2013 | 5:28:46 PM
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In the days leading up the first Surface release, people were PUMPED. Microsoft had the opportunity to make a substantial impact.
However, in simple terms, RT sucks. It was a massive mistake; there should never have been a Windows RT. People were not so stoked. By the time the Surface Pro was released, MS's window was long gone.
The problem isn't the hardware, its RT. Having more RT tablets isn't going to help MS at all.
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8/12/2013 | 6:01:11 PM
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So many pointless articles about how M$ could save Surface or save Win8. The bottom line is that people in general just don't like Win8 very much, and for most folks, the pain of using Win8 on a tablet outweighs the (very) few minor advantages over the alternative products. They can't be saved.

M$ clearly believes that if they don't make inroads into the mobile device market, they are doomed, but Win8 is a colossal failure and it just isn't going to work for them. Frankly, I can't imagine anything, including a super-cool gee-whiz replacement operating system, that would let them make a significant dent in the Apple/Android duopoly; there's just too much momentum there. There is absolutely no way short of giving devices away that Microsoft can entice people into buying Win8 tablets or phones in significant numbers.

Frankly, I'd pay $200 for a Nexus7 before I'd pay $100 for a similarly spec'ed Win8 tablet. I don't think I'm alone on that.
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8/13/2013 | 12:01:32 PM
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The key problem with the Windows 8 modern app world is crappy apps. It's kind of like when Java introduced a whole bunch of character-mode interface folks to GUIs. If you recall, Java AWT/Swing allowed the creation of some really, really BAD GUI apps. I believe it's possible to make great Windows modern apps but right now, experienced touch developers don't seem to be focused on Windows. That leaves us with predominantly inexperienced touch developers and crappy apps. That's a huge problem for Microsoft.

Of course, IMO, even Microsoft's own modern apps aren't great. Take the mail app. When you create a new message, the right side of the screen shows what appears to be some sort of template but it doesn't give you any clue as to the fact that you are to touch(click) the "Subject" part of the template and start typing or touch(click) the "body" area of the template and start typing. It looks like a sheet of paper with no obvious input areas or shadings to provide hints as to what the hell do I do with this? Plus the TO, CC and BCC areas are on the left side of a split screen. This is a complete departure from how Outlook presents information and accepts input.

After a while you get used to it but this is from a company that has a long history of GUI standards regarding placement of buttons, tool bars, menus, accelerator keys and default operations when ENTER is pressed. It's like some creative nut job fired all the pragmatic people and went wild. Of course it doesn't HAVE to be this way. Modern is fully capable of offering input boxes of various shadings that would immediately make the mail app more intuitive.

Windows problem is the apps and in Stevie's own sweat-slinging/spit-spraying/foot pounding words, "Developers, developers, developers."
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8/13/2013 | 3:51:03 AM
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If M$FT can't sell one model, how will they sell 3 models of more or less the same junk.
I live near the Oak Brook, IL mall which has both an Apple and Microsoft store.
Guess which one is always crowded, and which is not?

If this was a soccer league, M$FT would be relegated.
Shane M. O'Neill
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8/13/2013 | 1:44:19 PM
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I don't see how any good can come of a smaller Surface RT tablet, even if it's priced at $200 or even less. It will head into even more competitive terrain dominated by established players like the Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD and iPad Mini. If the people didn't like the Windows 8 tile-based UI big they won't like it small either.
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8/13/2013 | 4:11:28 PM
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As someone who spent an hour in the Microsoft store the other day, I think it's wrong to dismiss RT "sucks" despite its obvious limitations. The problem for me as a consumer was price. The Surface RT is a good little machine for people who don't need to run a wide array of applications. For example, it's fine for a journalist on the road or a student in a classroom. The big problem for me was price -- it should be considerably cheaper (it's currently on sale for $359, including Office for students). I think Redmond would sell a ton of these at $250. It might not make much money at that price, but it would gain a following.


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