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Salesforce, Benioff Must Beware Oracle's Embrace
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rsmith9411
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7/2/2013 | 10:03:57 PM
re: Salesforce, Benioff Must Beware Oracle's Embrace
>Warning to pursuers of whales everywhere: If you're rushing into a leviathan's embrace, make sure it's not going to sink you.

You put into words what a lot of people are thinking. Glad you're keeping your harpoon sharp!

--Roger Smith
cbabcock
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7/2/2013 | 10:36:25 PM
re: Salesforce, Benioff Must Beware Oracle's Embrace
Roger that, Roger Smith. Salesforce and Oracle. It's complicated. Glad you're still reading. Charlie Babcock, InformationWeek .
ggiese87101
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7/3/2013 | 12:15:48 AM
re: Salesforce, Benioff Must Beware Oracle's Embrace
I can only assume that this deal was purely business on Salesforce's part. In other words, they got a discount on Oracle products and Oracle promises to help send customer's their way. Costs go down and revenue goes up, which means profit goes up, too. That's important to the stockholders and the board. I agree and suspect they will offer private cloud deployments, too. Good analysis, my customer-side view of things agrees with what you wrote. That said, I too would have liked to see Salesforce instead announce use of a different database technology and either partnering with other "cloudies" or buying/merging with one or two. Would have been better for the market. Too bad Larry was on the BOD otherwise things might have gone differently. I prefer an Oracle that has to scramble and do things like reduce prices and/or make better software, actually compete on product price/performance instead of salesman ability. While we're at it, I really hope they'll fix things with Java, bummed that it's taking such a beating and the tech is getting stagnant.
cbabcock
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7/3/2013 | 12:45:59 AM
re: Salesforce, Benioff Must Beware Oracle's Embrace
Is it good for Salesforce's business to prompt its partners to question its long term commitments and strategic direction? Momentary gains sometimes undermine long term goals. But yes, a business deal with flourishes of partnership. Oracle said it would use Salesforce CRM, but the example of where they would use it, allowing an Oracle acquisition already using Salesforce to continue using Salesforce CRM as a testbed of their application integration, left me thinking Salesforce doesn't have much to show for this deal. Maybe more use is planned. But that was the example cited. Charlie Babcock
Ian Moyse
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7/3/2013 | 2:02:31 PM
re: Salesforce, Benioff Must Beware Oracle's Embrace
For the smaller client this will mean more clarity around Salesforce as an Enterprise play with Enterprise pricing. Customers will find more clarity around options other than Salesforce at independent sites such as www.g2crowd.com

Ian Moyse
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jbrockman651
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7/4/2013 | 4:27:11 PM
re: Salesforce, Benioff Must Beware Oracle's Embrace
Could it be that Larry Ellison is thinking about a succession plan? Is this a first step to something bigger? Dare we say "merger" or "acquisition"?
wdollar338
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7/4/2013 | 5:32:42 PM
re: Salesforce, Benioff Must Beware Oracle's Embrace
Larry Ellison and Marc Benioff must have some secret buyout agreement! Otherwise, why on earth would Marc run into the open arms of a dangerous character like Ellison.
cbabcock
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7/9/2013 | 7:10:28 PM
re: Salesforce, Benioff Must Beware Oracle's Embrace
To wdollar338: A Salesforce.com buy-out agreement would cost Oracle a lot at this point, wouldn't it? Oracle is not in the habit of paying a premium. On the contrary. Without a big upturn, such a move would be likely to spark shareholder unrest, something that Oracle seems to pay attention to. Charlie
cbabcock
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7/12/2013 | 4:38:10 AM
re: Salesforce, Benioff Must Beware Oracle's Embrace
An associate points out that I've mis-stated how the data integrity is achieved in a Salesforce.com application. On an Amazon multi-tenant server, its achieved with enforcement of virtual machine boundaries. On a Salesforce multi-tenant CRM application, it's achieved at the database level through the database's enforcement of user identity/user access rights. The conclusion stands: there are no cases established of data owner privacy loss or data integrity loss through this approach.Charlie Babcock, InformationWeek


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