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Technocrati
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7/5/2016 | 4:02:49 PM
Re: Just some thoughts

It amazes me that someone would trust their life to "autopilot" while driving.  And then to be so trustful that they would like to watch a movie while doing it.  This makes absolutely no sense to me.

vnewman2
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7/5/2016 | 4:00:01 PM
Re: Self-Driving Vehicles
@jastroff - I love your ketchup analogy!  You hit the nail on the head!
jastroff
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7/5/2016 | 3:39:51 PM
Re: Self-Driving Vehicles
Good point -- >> Exactly - if you still have to pay attention, then why not just do it yourself? 

I thihk there are machines that do things for us, but which we monitor. Sometimes often, sometimes we just read dials.

But with a car, we are talking about sitting IN the machine, and being on the roadway with other machines, It's a very strange set of circumstances. It's not like an automated factory where someone watches the "line" to make sure the ketchup bottles are all getting filled properly. 
vnewman2
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7/5/2016 | 2:13:47 PM
Re: Just some thoughts
"The driver must always be in control"

Exactly, which is why you can't be watching Harry Potter movies when "chaperoning" your "driverless" car.

 

 
NJ Mike
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7/5/2016 | 11:04:42 AM
Just some thoughts
"People get killed all the time when an idiot in a big rig turns in front of them illegally without enough distance to complete the turn" -- from the article, we don't know if the truck turned illegally or didn't allow enough distance.

 

The point is made that automation is degrading pilot skills.  That will be magified with cars for two big reasons.  First, getting a pilot's license takes a lot more training than a drivers license.  Secondly, there are lot more systems used to control air flight to keep air craft organized in the sky.  Therefore, if a jumbo jet makes an unexpected turn, there is rarely another aircraft in the area.  And we can add to that the many regulations pertaining to a pilot's behavior before flight (such as no drinking for a specified number of hours before takeoff).

 

JMHO - all this neat technology should be used to assist the driver, but the driver must always be in control.
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7/5/2016 | 7:32:54 AM
Re: Self-Driving Vehicles
Although the human eye is (probably) better at diferntiating between bright colours than the Tesla's sensor system, I do agree, human drivers make awful mistakes all the time. If all cars were automated with location data in a central database of some kind, this sort of collision would never happen. It would be impossible. 

I'm looking forward to automated cars, but just as with the earliest of vehicles and safety concerns we weren't aware of yet, there will unfortunately be deaths and injuries on the road to full autonomy. When we get there though, the stats suggest we'll all be far safer. 
FreonPSandoz
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7/5/2016 | 3:04:19 AM
Re: Self-Driving Vehicles
People get killed all the time when an idiot in a big rig turns in front of them illegally without enough distance to complete the turn. I can't understand why on earth anyone thinks that a human driver would have been any more successful at avoiding a collision than the Autopilot was.
vnewman2
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7/4/2016 | 11:57:55 PM
Re: Self-Driving Vehicles
"there's very little point in driverless technology if we also have to have a human watching over it..."

Exactly - if you still have to pay attention, then why not just do it yourself?  Who is willing to risk their life depending on a hunk of metal to think for you?  Computers are only as smart as the people who programmed them, and as we can now see, those people didn't cover every circumstance.  Talk about a bug in the system...yikes.  No thanks!
jastroff
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7/4/2016 | 12:39:35 PM
Re: Second thought
Excellent point -- driving in controlled environments -- as several car companies  are doing. Seems like Tesla took a risk based on arrogrance? Can't tell, but excellent point

>> That's extremely dangerous on my mind, both for the driver and every other vehicles and it should still be tested during years on private circuits by professionals.
paulno
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7/4/2016 | 10:58:47 AM
Second thought
By the way I don't understand that kind of vehicles can be driven by common people on ordinary roads. That's extremely dangerous on my mind, both for the driver and every other vehicles and it should still be tested during years on private circuits by professionals.

 

That's the case for planes, copters, sport cars and so on, it's amazing the life of ordinary people who are just going to work like any other day anything could be destroyed by some others that accept to take thoughtless risks. They can do what they want regarding them but I could not accept it if my daughter's were injured  in such a situation.
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