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iPhone Cracking: Why FBI Needed Outside Help And What It Means
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GatineauJ611
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3/24/2016 | 3:11:18 PM
Did the FBI really need Help
I have a hard time believing that the FBI needed help and actually went public with all this...who are they trying to kid

 


philnezz
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jastroff,
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3/24/2016 | 4:31:23 PM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help
Yes, hard to believe the government could not find the info they wanted without the big dust-up with Apple

 

Does anyone come out ahead on this? Apple has people all over the world eager to break whatever security is has, just for the fun of it, or for money. The Justice department has egg all over its face one way or the other. And in the end, they are going to get the data and break Apple's security. Black eyes all around.
larryloeb
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3/24/2016 | 6:09:06 PM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help
@jastroff

Apple is starting to get its stuff  together about security. They've been forced to realize they can't play at it anymore.

Thye just hired a Director of Security, for the first time.

They are changing their servers around because someone may have slipped a hacked Juniper router into the farms that they use(d).

I like this kind of thinking on Apple's part. It shows some seriousness, which they are going to need very soon.
Technocrati
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3/25/2016 | 2:51:11 PM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help

@Larryloeb    I am surprised that it took so long for the Apple to hire a Dir of Security.  Did they think their products were impenetrable ?    

Looks like it.    

But on the flip-side it is encouraging that they are taking the issue of security even more seriously moving forward.

larryloeb
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3/25/2016 | 4:45:59 PM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help
@tech

Yeah, me too.

They have sort of realized that what they were doing before wasn't really secure. They need to harden everything.

The new 10.4 release fixed some really, really bad bugs. They have to stop those kinds of bugs from happening, now.

 
Technocrati
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3/25/2016 | 2:45:45 PM
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Agreed.  It is hard to believe the FBI didn't know of this method and that it will end up being much about nothing. 

I do wonder how this bill will affect things going forward though.

larryloeb
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3/25/2016 | 4:43:14 PM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help
@technocrati

Two weeks before the FBI demanded Apple crack it, the DEA used Cellebrite to crack another iphone. The docs for it are up on cryptome.

You would think someone should have got on the phone to them, huh?
Technocrati
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3/25/2016 | 4:51:37 PM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help

@larryloeb       One word.  Unbelievable !   Makes one wonder if there were not some ulterior motives for making such an issue of this then.

larryloeb
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3/25/2016 | 4:58:01 PM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help
@Tech

Besides trying to subvert privacy in all its forms, you mean?

"Policing is only easy for the policeman in a police state"
Technocrati
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3/25/2016 | 5:25:59 PM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help

@Larry    So true.  It is amazing how the Government wants to have "the ability" in just about every aspect of our lives now.  Enough already.   

 

No longer satisfied with the power of tax collection.  And unfortunately I think the problem is only going to get worse.

larryloeb
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3/25/2016 | 5:28:18 PM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help
Many discussions could be had on that topic.

But, the FBI comes out of this looking clueless.
Technocrati
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3/25/2016 | 6:12:38 PM
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"...But, the FBI comes out of this looking clueless."

 

They really do.   Time to catch up with this thing call technology.

larryloeb
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3/25/2016 | 8:54:56 PM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help
Yeah, but they won't hire the guys that get it because they may have smoked ganja during their lives.
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3/27/2016 | 10:58:19 PM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help
I'm not sure if I feel finally confident that the world's most powerful nation can now crack a phone on its own power, or disturbed that it is dragging its own reputation through the mud.
larryloeb
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3/28/2016 | 12:49:06 AM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help
@Broadway

Cracking that particular phone was never the problem here.

It ran iOS8 which does not have the SecureEnclave mechanism. All they needed to do was be able to bypass login protection.

Perhaps they were trying to set it up for when they really did have a problem.
Broadway0474
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3/30/2016 | 9:48:09 PM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help
@larry, that's an important fact that I haven't seen mentioned enough in the repeated reporting of this story. A very important fact. It suggests that the cynics view of the government approach --- that they really want to access any phone, any time they want --- is perhaps not so cynical.
larryloeb
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3/31/2016 | 9:43:00 AM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help
@broadway

It's going to be interesting if the FBI has to tell Apple how they did it.

Apple, of course, will try to fix it in the future. Heh.
Broadway0474
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3/31/2016 | 9:24:59 PM
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@Larry, seriously? The FBI will have to tell Apple how they broke the phone? If they don't, the FBI is certainly taking on a black hat, anti-industry role that I really doesn't suit a government that is ultimately business friendly. Even more hypocritical will be if a Republican administration comes into power in 2017 and gets even more anti-Apple and anti any tech and telecomm company that puts up a fight.
larryloeb
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4/1/2016 | 5:00:17 AM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help
@Broadway

The FBI won't tell them how. They don't have to.

They will try to keep it underwraps so Apple can't counter.

How does it feel to have your privacy defended by a company, and not the government?
jastroff
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4/1/2016 | 6:33:12 PM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help
Turn about is fair play, as we say

 

>> The FBI won't tell them how. They don't have to.

Apple made themselves a bigger target. Hope their shareholders appreciate that!
larryloeb
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3/24/2016 | 6:05:06 PM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help
The security theatre going on is wide and deep.

The FBI thought it could sneak the all writs action by, because everyone would be distracted by them waving the 5C high,

Ignoring all the tech for a sec; the FBI seems not ready to consider that if that phone was used for terror activities, the issuer of that phone might be liable too. And who owned it? San Bernadino. The FBI going to arrest them too?

 
Technocrati
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3/25/2016 | 3:01:53 PM
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"...the FBI seems not ready to consider that if that phone was used for terror activities, the issuer of that phone might be liable too. And who owned it? San Bernadino. The FBI going to arrest them too? "

 

 

@Larryloeb    Great point.  Another case of selective prosecution ?

larryloeb
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3/25/2016 | 4:47:39 PM
Re: Did the FBI really need Help
More like not seeing the connection that was there all the way through to the end.

They just focused on what they wanted.


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