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Brian.Dean
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2/28/2016 | 12:30:54 PM
Fuel Cell vs. Lithium Ion
I wonder if Hydrogen Fuel Cells will be able to make a comeback. Fuel cells are attractive because, it allows a user to refuel in three to five minute and drive a long way. However, converting water into Hydrogen and Hydrogen plus Oxygen into electricity seems inefficient. Lithium Ion on the other hand is a tested technology and with the Gigafactory as well as the rest of the supply chain fortifying, the technology seems to be in the lead by a large margin.   
Technocrati
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2/28/2016 | 1:27:51 PM
Re: Fuel Cell vs. Lithium Ion
@Brian.Dean   I am not familiar with Hydrogen Fuel Cells, but isn't Hydrogen highly combustable ?  I like the advantages of use you mention, but if Hydrogen is highly unstable - it could be another reason for lack of adoption.

In addition to the tried and true test of costs.
Brian.Dean
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2/29/2016 | 1:04:13 PM
Re: Fuel Cell vs. Lithium Ion
@Technocratic, yes you are right. Hydrogen is extremely combustible. It requires a source of Oxygen and a spark to create a dangerous situation.

EVs on the other hand, are gaining safety ratings that are higher than traditional gasoline driven vehicles. The enhanced safety is due to the battery housing reinforcing the chassis, batteries in the middle rather than an engine at the front also changes the weight distribution and having an empty front trunk create a good crumple zone.
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2/29/2016 | 1:18:33 PM
Re: Fuel Cell vs. Lithium Ion

@Brian.Dean   Thanks for confirming my suspicion.   But it is encouraging that EV's are becoming more safe than gas powered vehicles which have always been questionable in my opinion.

StaceyE
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2/29/2016 | 7:14:38 PM
Re: Fuel Cell vs. Lithium Ion
Thanks for the info Brian.

I have heard that EV's are becoming more powerful when it comes to performance, perhaps because of the advances and changes they've made with the batteries and their placement.
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2/29/2016 | 7:10:46 PM
Re: Fuel Cell vs. Lithium Ion
My first thought also was the combustibility of hydrogen...if it could be stabilized it soes ound great.
Susan Fourtané
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2/28/2016 | 2:33:25 PM
Re: Fuel Cell vs. Lithium Ion
Brian, the aerodynamics in the Mercedes F 015 is also because the car is powered by hydrogen fuel cells. You wonder if they will make a come back. I would say that since the technology in the Mercedes is the best of the best there is problably a reason. :) /Susan
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2/28/2016 | 2:34:43 PM
Re: Fuel Cell vs. Lithium Ion
The nice thing about generating hydrogen from water via electrolysis is that is it essentially a simple process. Water plus electricity yields O2 and H2 – very amenable to solar energy. The problem is that H2 is so very unstable. I believe there is work being done to make a stable form of hydrogen available for fuel cells, but the process is complex and involves cutting edge nanotechnology.

Lithium ion batteries are a troubled technology to say the least. The newest and most promising improvements also involve nanotechnology, and the manufacturing processes are entirely different than what Mr. Musk is using in his Gigafactory, so he may just have a billion-dollar white elephant on his hands.

The one thing for certain is that if we move away from gas powered cars, a titanic change in energy infrastructure will be required, which is unlikely any time soon due to lack of interest due to collapsing energy prices.
Susan Fourtané
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2/28/2016 | 3:26:30 PM
Re: Fuel Cell vs. Lithium Ion
Brian, NASA also uses hydrogen fuel cells to power the shuttles' electrical systems. One benefit of this is that the crew can drink the clean byproduct> clean water. /Susan
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2/29/2016 | 1:29:49 PM
Re: Fuel Cell vs. Lithium Ion
@Susan, good point. Another benefit is that a Hydrogen energy environment will be able to utilize renewable energy such as, solar and wind to the fullest. For instance, Hydrogen production plants can turn the production on high during perk sunshine and operate at a lower output during the night.

Hydrogen has a long way to catch up if it is to surpass Lithium Ion that already has a Gigafactory.
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2/29/2016 | 7:40:58 PM
Re: Fuel Cell vs. Lithium Ion
Brian, 

I really think hydrogen fuel cells is the way to go. As you mention the environmental benefits that renewable energy brings, it's also great for the human health since vehicles also become more silent. 

-Susan 
StaceyE
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2/29/2016 | 7:15:59 PM
Re: Fuel Cell vs. Lithium Ion
That's a very interesting hactoid Susan! Thanks for sharing!
Susan Fourtané
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2/29/2016 | 7:35:31 PM
Re: Fuel Cell vs. Lithium Ion
Glad you liked it, Stacey. :) 

-Susan 
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2/28/2016 | 1:23:13 PM
The Security Implications of Connected Cars
Connected cars will be a huge boon for economies Worldwide. This is certainly encouraging, I am curious though, what safeguards are manufacturers putting in place to harden security ?

Now is the time to seriously address this issue and place a strong safeguards in place.
Susan Fourtané
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2/29/2016 | 4:35:31 AM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
Technorati,

in the case of connected and autonomous cars the security comes in the networks and solutions that make the connectivity possible.

What car manufactures have to watch is the security protection against cyber-attacks and intrusions, which cause malfunctions, or threten the physical integraty of the driver or pedestrians. 

Software and connectivity for connected and autonomus vehicles will become more critical. Safety and security telematics will play an important role, thus, they need to be enhanced since the start. Security vendors are taking care of this. 

Would you buy a totally autonomous car which has option of manual mode as well. or you would be happy with a car with some connectivity? :)

-Susan 

 
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2/29/2016 | 9:13:31 AM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
@Susan Thanks for addressing my not so easy to anwser question.   I hope new techniques in security will come about as a result of connected cars, true it would be a major breakthrough, but we need one in this area.

I am fortunate to have a car with some connectivity, and since I have had no issues as of yet regarding security, I would continue to support "some connectivity" but it would also be nice to have the option to totally disable and enable it.

Thanks for asking ! : )
Susan Fourtané
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2/29/2016 | 12:01:41 PM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
Technorati, 

Good question, nevertheless.

Do you mean the option of buying a car with all the connected features disabled and then enable them as you think is convenient for you? Something like that? 

-Susan 
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2/29/2016 | 12:38:07 PM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
@Susan   Exactly.  That would be a useful option don't you think ?
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2/29/2016 | 7:55:21 PM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars

I am very excited about connected cars I think the possibilities for transporting a whole group of the population that can't drive today is incredible! However I do hope there is very rigorous testing, while cyber-attacks are always a worry general tech hiccups are part of any technology project. In this case it could be very detrimental to lives and traffic as a whole.

 

Susan Fourtané
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2/29/2016 | 8:24:00 PM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
Impact,

Yes, people who can't drive are going to really enjoy these cars. They will change their life. Also, parents will have more free time since the car will drive the kids to school, pick them up, and do other things like sending things to relatives, friends, etc. 

-Susan  
impactnow
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2/29/2016 | 9:28:44 PM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
Susan I don't know that I would put my young child in a self driving car on their own but I do think it would be great for the elderly disabled or teenagers that need a ride to the mall!
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2/29/2016 | 11:20:29 PM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
impactnow, they'll probably pass a law that involves arresting parents who allow their childrens to ride in these cars alone. Just like they arrest parents who leave kids in the car when returning the shopping cart to the front of the Wal-Mart. Seriously, though, why would it be ok to place a teenager in one of these vs. a 6 year old? And what's the cut-off. The age that children can stay home alone? Is that 4th grade? 
Susan Fourtané
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3/2/2016 | 3:58:44 PM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
Broadway, that's a great question about what the right age for sending kids to school in an autonomous car would be. Do you think when self-driving cars become more common people will leave fear behind? /Susan
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3/5/2016 | 10:21:22 PM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
Just like people no fear when they get into a driven car after years of being inured to the risk, eventually people will not fear getting into and putting their loved ones (even little ones) into driverless cars. And the fewer driven cars on the road at that time, probably the more rational the fearlessness.
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3/7/2016 | 4:59:17 AM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
Broadway, exactly. Most people have a tendency to resist new technologies due to a fear of the unknown. It takes time, but at the end it will be as you said. Do you personally would have a driverless car if you had to the chance now? /Susan
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3/10/2016 | 10:21:42 AM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
Broadway,

Until they perfect the Technology well,I am keeping my Loved ones as far away from Driverless cars is possible.

Thanks but No Thanks.

I don't mind travelling in Driverless Metros (where there is only one train on a Track) but this is entirely another story today.

 
Broadway0474
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3/13/2016 | 9:26:53 PM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
Someone's got to play the role of the mayor in Flint, Michigan. Or was it the governor? Either way, you'll need tech exec to put their kids in their driverless cars to prove thta they are safe, whether they are safe or not.
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3/28/2016 | 10:51:15 AM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
Broadway,

Fair enough statements made by you here.

Basically somebody has to bell the cat.

So who will it be?

Seeing the Problems that the recent Google Cars have faced recently I won't be the first one to do so.

 
Broadway0474
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3/29/2016 | 11:03:18 PM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
Ashu, I stand by my insinuation that it should be the same tech execs who plan to sell and profit largely from these driverless cars. Instead of going on 60 Minutes to talk about shipping packages by drone, these execs could create great hooplah by taking a journalist, along with their family, for a ride in one of these cars.
Ashu001
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3/31/2016 | 9:54:29 AM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
Broadway,

Fair enough!

But don't be very surprised if they back-off from taking their kids along for the ride.

LOL!!!

The fact of the matter is even they don't believe that Technology is safe at present.

 
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3/31/2016 | 9:22:24 PM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
@Ashu, I agree that I don't think this come to Jesus moment is here yet. Give the technology another few years ---- once the industry gets the regs it wants in place ---- and then they will have to really start convincing the public of the safety of these thingies. Then they will need to put their own kids inside one of them!
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7/22/2016 | 5:47:46 AM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
Technology is so vast today and is growing rapidly as days go by. Hence, it is indeed highly anticipated for the industry to boom at a very fast pace. A lot of financing will definitely be required along the way but the end result will eventually compensate all the hard work.
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3/2/2016 | 3:18:59 PM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
Impact, How old is your young child? Yes, for the elderly, disabled, and teens will be great, as well as for those who don't like driving, or can't drive for some reason, but also for children who go to school. /Susan
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2/29/2016 | 6:09:08 AM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
@Technocrati: What's the security issue surrounding connected cars? From what I understand, the level of security required would probably be the same that you need on your phone. What could be other threats?
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2/29/2016 | 7:14:33 AM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
@Tzubair, the FBI might fight with your car company to get access to your car's CPU lol
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2/29/2016 | 9:05:53 AM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
@progman2000    That's coming next !   : ) 
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2/29/2016 | 9:57:16 AM
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That's quite a timely thought, progman. :D

-Susan
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2/29/2016 | 9:59:44 AM
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@Susan, exactly.

I'm getting a little tired of the Apple-FBI debate. I still think it is one of the best publicity stories for Apple in a long time. (admittedly, not a fan of apple, but...)
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progman, 

It's not their fault if they are getting all the attention. It's not an easy topic either. However, I think I am on Apple's side. The company has shown consistency about how they treat privacy, which is a good thing. 

-Susan 
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2/29/2016 | 9:04:30 AM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
@tzubair    I was thinking of the use of scanners, I don't know if this is used in the area of phones but I have read/heard that this is a  tool of choice  for car hackers.
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2/29/2016 | 9:56:09 AM
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Technorati, 

The use of scanners? What exactly do you have in mind? 

-Susan 
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2/29/2016 | 10:21:05 AM
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@Susan   I was thinking of network scanners.  The same method hackers use on open networks.
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2/29/2016 | 11:34:12 AM
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Technorati, 

According to the conversations I have had at MWC with the companies like Nokia Networks providing 5G and network services for IoT, M2M, connected cars, etc., they say these networks are being built with enhanced encrypted security. 

These cars need to have a different kind of security, stronger than what smartphones have, because they could be used as potential weapons. Just imagine that someone thinks of crashing a car like they crashed the planes into the WTC in New York. :/ 

-Susan 
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2/29/2016 | 6:53:57 PM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
I would hope companies supplying the communications infrastructure to self-driving cars will make them robust. From what we are seeing with Apple vs. the FBI a smartphone can have security features that make it impossible to brute force hack into it. Unfortunately Apple is the only company that seems to be trustworthy.

All companies in the Android ecosystem is involved in sharing our information for analytics and then for sale to the highest bidding advertiser. I recently read an article that showed ads leak personal information and when those are aggregated it is not too difficult to find out who is behind the clicks, where she lives, works, etc.

You make a good point Susan: "Just imagine that someone thinks of crashing a car like they crashed the planes into the WTC in New York. :/" But it will be exponentially worse if someone was able to hack into the communications infrastructure of say Nokia's 5G for connected cars. All cars -- probably in the tens of hundreds of thousands -- would then be made to crash into things, all over the world. That would be catastrophic.
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2/29/2016 | 8:06:08 PM
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jnskm, 

That would be catastrophic, indeed! This has been a thought-provoking conversation. Thank you. As I mentioned earlier, according to the conversations I have had with, for example, researchers and experts on 5G from Nokia Networks and others, providing an encrypted security for the networks is top on the 5G agenda.

But as we know, things can happen. This technology is great and its many possible applications will improve the quality of living in more than one way. Yet, we need to remember that there are evil people out there.

As for the smartphones and Apple, yes, I agree. The Apple vs FBI case shows that the technology exists. The fact that companies can choose how to use it, or don't use it is a different story.

Apple's security has always been reliable. Many people critize the company because of the price of the products. But when you buy an Apple product you get quality and in cases like this, you really understand how much you can trust the company. As an Apple user, I am very pleased. :)

-Susan  
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2/29/2016 | 11:07:52 AM
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Is there already such a thing as 'car hackers'?
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2/29/2016 | 11:19:47 AM
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progman, 

Maybe not yet. But you never know. 

-Susan 
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2/29/2016 | 12:47:26 PM
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@progman2000    Not yet officially but it has been shown that it is easily possible by those who know how to do it.  I believe I saw an article and video about it on CNet.

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3/5/2016 | 5:11:28 PM
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That is my concern as well. Imagine some hacker taking over your car in a remote spot and not releasing control unless you pay a ransom. Or worse, a terrorist group could cause cars to deliberately crash themselves. It is pretty scary to think about these things but there are some really nasty folks out there.
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3/7/2016 | 4:43:02 AM
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tjgkg, sometimes I wonder if it is not us who come up with all these ideas and hackers just find them ready to elaborate, improve, and put them into practice. What do you think of this, do you think it could be possible? Terrorists already deliberately crash and planes. The only difference would be that none of them has to die in the process. Yes, there are some really bad people out there. But progress and technology can't be stopped because of them. It is also true that the good guys are doing everything that is in their power in the security space. /Susan
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3/8/2016 | 1:16:52 PM
Re: The Security Implications of Connected Cars
Susan: True, terorists already do these nasty things but it takes more elaborate planning now. WIth connected systems in place, they will have the "table set" for them. Also it opens up the opportunity for mischevious kids to prank innocent people. I aam all for technology moving forward, I am just thinking of the multitude of nasty people who look for opportunities to exploit it.
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3/9/2016 | 11:56:49 AM
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tjgkg, 

Of course, I understand. If we have a quick look at the history of humanity we can see that since the very beginning there have been such people. This, innevitably, if something that won't change any time soon.

We just have to accept that with all the great things that new technologies will bring the same things will also be used for bad things by those nasty people.

I hope I could give you a more positive forecast, though. We'll see what happens. 

-Susan 
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3/10/2016 | 9:58:46 AM
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Susan, tech has changed so much in the last 15 years. So much of it exists to make our life easier, and a bit more fun. And all that is positive. I'm just hoping the good guys can continue to stay ahead of the bad guys. There are so many avenues for the bad guys to access it is really astounding.
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3/10/2016 | 10:19:33 AM
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Susan,

Having seen the massive Nissan Leaf Security disaster upfront and in-person;I will continue to stay as far away from all  these Apps /Connected Cars as I can.

I am sure the market for non-connected Cars is not going to away anytime.Is there?

Let's face it-These car companies want to charge extra for these features-What if someone wants a bare-bones version instead????

 
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2/29/2016 | 7:12:40 AM
Where does this leave motorsports?
It seems quite likely that within a few years, autonomous AI cars will be able to drive harder, faster and for longer than human drivers. While great for consumers and commuters, where does that leave motorsports?

A few years of drivers vs AI could be fun, but when the latter can easily outpace the former, where does that leave us? Do we say goodbyte to human driven cars forever, or will this just open up a new sport with less risk to enjoy?
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2/29/2016 | 9:17:39 AM
Re: Where does this leave motorsports?
@Whoopty   Interesting question.  It will be equally interesting to see how organizations such as NASCAR  react and ultimately incorporate these changes into their operation.
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2/29/2016 | 10:13:50 AM
Re: Where does this leave motorsports?
Whoopty, 

I am happy you have addressed this question. :) Indeed, as you did, I thought about this as well. I think you have missed the second page of the story, here is the link: http://www.informationweek.com/it-life/mwc-2016-paves-path-for-connected-cars-/a/d-id/1324462?page_number=2 < - Connected cars and Formula 1 

British F1 driver Lewis Hamilton doesn't think they will replace drivers in motorsports. :) After you read the second page, let me know if you have questions. 

-Susan 

 
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2/29/2016 | 3:15:33 PM
Looking forward...
I look forward to the day when I don't have to drive, unless I want to. I wouldn't want to fight traffic during the weekday to work and back; I'd want a monthly subscription to Uber -- with self-driving cars -- that will come to my door, pick me up, and drop me off at work. The same happens the way home. Red dots on Google Maps or Apple Maps won't be a problem because I can be eating dinner, doing some work, watching a TV episode, or just taking a power nap on my way. These self-driving cars will most likely be electric powered so it will be generally quiet and even congested roads and highways will not be so terribly polluted as they are today. I look forward.
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2/29/2016 | 6:13:24 PM
Re: Looking forward...

@jnskm    You make it sound so great, I am actually looking forward to it too !  : ) 

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2/29/2016 | 6:55:43 PM
Re: Looking forward...
jnskm, 

You really get the picture. :) How nice. Yes, these cars are really quiet.

I loved reading your description and how much you would enjoy a self-driving car experience, and all what you would do during its driving time.

That is exactly what the car manufacturers say about what the point of these cars is. 

I hope your dream comes true soon. :) 

-Susan 
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2/29/2016 | 8:50:27 PM
Big in the Bay Area, but will they work?
I think driverless cars will worsen traffic snarl-ups in the Bay Area because cars must take their turns and proceed through narrow corridors at such frequent intervals that the software will balk and freeze up at the close proximity to other cars. Or it may be driver-driven cars will have an advantage in highly congested situations that slows the progress of cautiously driven, driverless cars.
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3/2/2016 | 2:51:15 PM
Re: Big in the Bay Area, but will they work?
Charlie, I don't know particularly in the Bay area, but according to car manufacturers, companies responsible for the connectivity in the vehicles, and research studies traffic will see improvements and fatalities on the road will decrease. /Susan


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