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Bill Gates Weighs In On Apple Vs. FBI Encryption Battle
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WATCHINGYOUNOW
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2/23/2016 | 5:07:58 PM
There is also several references in APPLES Rules, Conditions, and Terms pages that do specify
This is a pretty interesting thing that Apple is publically doing. They are making news conferences about not wanting or thinking they should comply with the specific requests of a National Security Investigation.  However if you read in depth, the ITunes Terms and conditions, for example, you will find Apple states everywhere there is a violation that serves Apple's express rights, such as piracy or unlawful content or third party apps or undisclosed info hidden in apps.... basically Apple states they will investigate ahd extract any information about a user or history or use of any kind without consent and withhout notice  and when circumstances they deem fit violate any law or copywrite infrindgement or any rule of any kind, Apple  will give content from investigations over to Government Officials and Investigations.  

Basically it is a full about face on what they say. Had these terrorists managed to steal apps, then Apple would then investigate and hand over information or account access to the Law Enforcement Officials in the National Secuirty Investigation. So that Apple can use law enforcement or the courts to serve them. But numerous deaths and terrorist posts etc  are not good enough reason.  WOW  really???  

This observation was made with no position as to whether  this "stand" Apple is making to media about why they are refusing to cooperate is right or wrong. It simply seems to offer proof that Apple regularly offers evidence that was obtained by any means they felt like to help prosecute any violators of laws or their own rules..    

To me its pretty cut and dry, by their own ruiles they have proclaimed Apple  can and will provide information when it suits Apple.  So in my opinion this is far worse than government investigations in direct involvement of terrorist activities.  Since Apple also states that anyone who violates their rules is subject to their handing over  of information, is Apple saying that the terrorists didn't violate their terms by posting details of their intended terrorist acts?.   There is some valid arguements hat can be extracted from the various terms and rules etc on the Apple website.
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DavidG047,
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2/23/2016 | 9:54:54 PM
FBI vs Apple
In 1755 Benjamin Franklin wrote "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." With a government mandated backdoor we'll be giving liberty to the bad guys and sacrificing our safety based not on Apple's "marketing strategy" but on the government's.

 

https://articles.azstec.com/encryption-backdoor-battle-government-sues-apple/
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2/24/2016 | 3:46:27 AM
Re: FBI vs Apple
If information-age devices weren't invented, and terrorists communicated by letter, wouldn't the government have demanded to see that letter under circumstances like these? Why are smartphones sacrosanct if paper isn't? Five Hundred years ago, printers, the "tech giants" of their age, didn't direct policy on secrecy.

Safety from external danger is the most powerful director of national conduct. To be more safe, [nations] at length become willing to run the risk of being less free.

-Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No 8, "The Consequences of Hostilities Between the States," New York Packet, Tuesday, November 20, 1787.
DavidG047
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2/24/2016 | 9:57:20 AM
Re: FBI vs Apple
Thanks for responding with a thoughtful post. Since the technology did not exist back then it is impossible to create what if's, and even if we could your analogy is not sound, since there are no letters laying around. I agree with you, the last thing we want is tech giants directing policy, and even worse is having an overbearing and intrusive government, which our founding fathers were very aware of and put in place protections against. The cost of liberty and freedoms in the US has its price and this means that the bad guys sometimes get to take advantage of those freedoms. The opening up of that iPhone for example would cost us much more if the other bad guys, hackers, foreign governments, etc got access to the process (which they would if they existed) and nearly every cybersecurity expert agrees with Apple on this one.

If you read our blog and all of the backup links you will get the full story but Apple was already helping the FBI, and because of their (FBI's) incompetence in securing evidence properly they may have rendered the information un-retrievable. The FBI and Justice Department are now asking for something that goes well beyond this one phone.

https://articles.azstec.com/encryption-backdoor-battle-government-sues-apple/

 
TerryB
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2/24/2016 | 1:20:54 PM
Re: FBI vs Apple
The iPhone was not encrypted with the intention of keeping the government out, it was to keep bad guys out. Creating any mechanism for subverting that, whether you call it a backdoor or not, defeats that purpose. The government can't guarantee their access won't be subverted by someone else, those morons can't even keep our IRS data safe. Or my VA nurse wife identity information secure. Apple is just trying to keep people from stealing our money and our identity. Like all good things, the bad guys will find ways to take advantage of that for their purposes.

I find it humorous Bill Gates decided to weigh in on this. His product never had this problem, it enabled the malware infested world we live in. Who needs a court order, a 10 year old with an internet connection and a laptop can get whatever they want out of his products.

Where does this end? A ban on apps like Snapchat which autodestroy communications? No end to end encryption because you can't wiretap anymore? Just where do you want to draw this line so court orders can be enforced?

Technology is pretty much here where all of us can be GPS tracked and video monitored at all times. Gov can certainly argue that would make us all safer and make crime fighting so much easier for them. We ready for that? And in the end, does any of that protect you from the nutcases in San Benadino or Kalamazoo? To live is to risk dying and at some point the reduction in risk becomes marginal, you'll never make it zero.

 
nasimson
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2/25/2016 | 8:37:06 AM
What's Google's stand?
What is Google's stand on all this? It would be surprising if FBI hasn't asked Google of a back door in Android. And Google wouldn't have provided it.
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Technocrati,
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2/26/2016 | 7:30:04 PM
Re: What's Google's stand?

@nasimson   That is a great point.  Are we to believe that criminals and terrorist only use iPhones ?   I would like to know what Google's stance is on this as well - I have an uneasy feeling that they have a much more relaxed position towards Government petitions for data. 

 

I really hope I am wrong though.

Technocrati
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Technocrati,
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2/26/2016 | 7:40:31 PM
Re: FBI vs Apple

"...I find it humorous Bill Gates decided to weigh in on this. His product never had this problem, it enabled the malware infested world we live in. Who needs a court order, a 10 year old with an internet connection and a laptop can get whatever they want out of his products."

 

@TerryB   I find it humorous as well.   Who knew he had so much time on his hands especially with all the humanitarian work he is supposed to be doing.  

Hey, Bill got news for you, humanity can still use some help.  Focus.

DavidG047
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2/26/2016 | 7:45:03 PM
Apple vs FBI
We updated our information after the Apple filing as well as uncovered information that seems to indicate that the FBI may have already cracked this phone and this is all a "thin edge of the blade" case for the Justice Department. We have also updated all legal summaries as well as other interesting links.

https://articles.azstec.com/

 
Technocrati
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Technocrati,
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2/26/2016 | 7:55:46 PM
Re: FBI vs Apple

@DavidG047    You make some excellent points, but we also have to remember Apple does not want to lose the trust of their user base either.  

Apple has touted the security of these phones since Jobs, and we can only imagine how much business they might lose if a post Jobs turn in policy were ever carried out.

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