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PC Market Hits Historic Low: Can Windows 10 Save It?
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kstaron
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1/26/2016 | 10:39:19 AM
Re: Used PCs
I agree, gamers and designers are going to stick to desktops for the performance and screen size. But if you're just running invoices or writing emails to customers as the basis for your computing a desktop is relatively useless in the age of smartphones and tablets. As for the psuedo-malware ad on my laptop that keep prompting me to install windows 10, how can that 'save' anything? Do people really want to run out and buy a new computer so their new operating system can have a place to work? I don't want to install win 10 because I might HAVE to go to another computer. Working on an older machine, I get wary of any new upgrade because it usually means somethings going to stop working. But what I have works for what I do so why replace it yet?
jastroff
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1/18/2016 | 5:09:53 PM
Re: The change has got to be more than the drop in PCs
TerryB -- all good stuff.

I just think at this point we are smart enough to pair the rise of different kinds of work to the decline of the PC

 

 
TerryB
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1/18/2016 | 12:42:12 PM
Re: The change has got to be more than the drop in PCs
@jastroff, you've got to remember most enterprises are server based, ERP. People like myself have been pounding on the paper reduction since the 80's. Most of our generation of POs to vendors and Order Acks/Invoices to customers is an email with a PDF attachment, there is no paper and no snail mail. MS Office never really played a role in that part of business if you knew what you were doing.

So a Win PC is really just the client side of accessing the server. Most old school ERP, which most of us still use, depended on client software which, for most part, ran on Win. To this day, do you see SAP running on Mac? Linux has made some inroads but that still Intel type PC's. That stuff isn't going to tablets and phones in enterprises, ever. Why does your A/P clerk need to be mobile?

That's why I maintain Win is solid in the enterprise, specifically manufacturing, for a long time. Only if Chrome gets serious about competing, gets ERP ports to that platform, could market share shift radically. The other potential competition comes from porting ERP to browsers, then any cost efficient client becomes feasible in enterprise.

But comparing to the past? Consumers have fled, enterprises were only ever a small portion of that market share.
jastroff
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1/18/2016 | 10:08:33 AM
Re: The change has got to be more than the drop in PCs
Yeah, to CRM, and other back ofice efficiences. 

I still don't think that "dop in PC" number has any more meaning if it's not coupled with where the work went, how the work changed, what stayed, what disappeared. 

 

We should pair hardware to workflow -- and then we would get a more useful number.
Broadway0474
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1/18/2016 | 12:15:30 AM
Re: The change has got to be more than the drop in PCs
Sounds like a Weird Al rendition of a classic 60s protest song: "Where has all the paperwork gone?" Maybe it's all gone to CRM? And maybe some of it's gone back to face to face? Whether that's via teleconferencing or webchats? 
jastroff
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1/17/2016 | 11:43:37 AM
The change has got to be more than the drop in PCs
Ok, fewer PCs; mpore phones and tablets. More cloud work

 

How has work changed to knock the PC out of the box? Do we use Google Docs to write a letter/document/contracts and then store it in the Cloud? Or do we just use SLAX or other communication apps to substitute for "paperwork"

where has the "paperwork" gone? the stuff tha moves business? Makes deals? Some of it became e-communication, but not all of it.

 

Would also like to see the drop in Office 365 as well -- if PCs drop, the software should as well, no?

 

 
mak63
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1/17/2016 | 5:24:05 AM
Re: Windows 10 - so what?
@ Gary_EL "I fail to see how the advent of Windows 10 will do anything to enhance PC sales."
Couldn't we say the same about new cars, new phones, the latest trend in clothing, etc?
"they are no longer sold with any way to reinstall the operating system"
I know it's not the same, but there are several ways to reinstall an OS without the media. On Windows 10 for instance, you can do it from Recovery or if you're on it, from Settings/Reset this PC. You could also download the media creation tool for Win 10, and create an USB, DVD or an ISO.
"Anyone who needs a larger screen, or needs to look at two things at once will need a PC."
Not necessarily.  You could plug a secondary monitor on the laptop's VGA port, or the HDMI port. You could even get a beautiful 16", USB Portable Monitor. Not very expensive nowadays.

Edit:
I forgot to mention that you could also add a tablet as a second monitor. I did it a couple of times with my phone. Well, as you can imagine, the screen was rather small, but with a 10" tablet, it might work just fine.
So you see, a laptop can have up to 4 extra monitors. That will be a nice setup. Now, if I only have $1000...
"Well, more than a niche"
I hope you're right, or I feel a bit isolated
mak63
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1/17/2016 | 5:13:23 AM
Re: Used PCs
@PedroGonzales I think PC will become a niche technology specially for designers and gamers which need work with more powerful PCs.   
Don't forget geeks!
Gary_EL
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1/16/2016 | 10:26:00 PM
Re: Used PCs
Well, more than a niche. Anyone who needs a larger screen, or needs to look at two things at once will need a PC. For instance, right now I have half my screen occupied with your note, and the other half with this response. A laptop screen, let alone a phablet screen, would be too small. But I agree that many people who used to use PC's will be satisfied with laptops and phablets.
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1/16/2016 | 10:10:20 PM
Re: Used PCs
I think for people who use a computer for the basic, going to the web and using office a refurbish computer will be just fine.  They can have a standalone computer and be able to take advantage of all their features.   I do not think Windows 10 will be enough to save the PC market.  Consumers now are mobile and prefer a laptop or a phablet.  I think PC will become a niche technology specially for designers and gamers which need work with more powerful PCs.   
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