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PC Market Hits Historic Low: Can Windows 10 Save It?
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Gary_EL
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1/13/2016 | 2:20:44 PM
Windows 10 - so what?
I fail to see how the advent of Windows 10 will do anything to enhance PC sales. I also fail to see what Windows 7 has done for me over XP. Windows 8.1 offers nothing either.

The thing that I REALLY HATE about Windows PC's in general is that they are no longer sold with any way to reinstall the operating system when, after a few months even if you have virus protection, it becomes necessary to do so. My next machine will be a Chromebook.
Technocrati
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1/13/2016 | 6:29:42 PM
Re: Windows 10 - so what?

"..The thing that I REALLY HATE about Windows PC's in general is that they are no longer sold with any way to reinstall the operating system when, after a few months even if you have virus protection, it becomes necessary to do so."

 

@Gary_EL    I couldn't agree more. If we have bought a license for it's use then we should have some physical media to be able to reinstall if that becomes necessary.

 

Some of us use our machines for development and sometime this might require re-installing the OS.  

Microsoft listened when it came to the start button, I hope they will really listen to and act on this.

Technocrati
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1/13/2016 | 6:37:03 PM
Re: Windows 10 - so what?
@Gary_EL      Looks like I was wrong.   There is a Windows 10 ISO that you can download and reinstall Windows 10 with through MS of course.    

I have not tried it yet but I will get that ISO asap.  Now I need to find the one for Windows 7 as well.
Gary_EL
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1/13/2016 | 8:19:32 PM
Re: Windows 10 - so what?
Now that's good news! If it turns out to be true, I may have to change my plans. The only problem then will be the drivers. In the mean time, if you find one for Windows 7, please let me know!
Technocrati
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1/14/2016 | 1:11:32 PM
Re: Windows 10 - so what?

@Gary_EL     Will do.

mak63
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1/17/2016 | 5:24:05 AM
Re: Windows 10 - so what?
@ Gary_EL "I fail to see how the advent of Windows 10 will do anything to enhance PC sales."
Couldn't we say the same about new cars, new phones, the latest trend in clothing, etc?
"they are no longer sold with any way to reinstall the operating system"
I know it's not the same, but there are several ways to reinstall an OS without the media. On Windows 10 for instance, you can do it from Recovery or if you're on it, from Settings/Reset this PC. You could also download the media creation tool for Win 10, and create an USB, DVD or an ISO.
"Anyone who needs a larger screen, or needs to look at two things at once will need a PC."
Not necessarily.  You could plug a secondary monitor on the laptop's VGA port, or the HDMI port. You could even get a beautiful 16", USB Portable Monitor. Not very expensive nowadays.

Edit:
I forgot to mention that you could also add a tablet as a second monitor. I did it a couple of times with my phone. Well, as you can imagine, the screen was rather small, but with a 10" tablet, it might work just fine.
So you see, a laptop can have up to 4 extra monitors. That will be a nice setup. Now, if I only have $1000...
"Well, more than a niche"
I hope you're right, or I feel a bit isolated
Technocrati
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1/13/2016 | 6:24:34 PM
Attractive Pricing = PC Market Rebound

I think the PC Market low is a little misleading.   While many are buying tablets, one still cannot get the power of a laptop (or PC in this case) no matter how convenient a tablet might be.

And I don't think Windows 10 will be solely responsible for the uptick in PC sales moving forward - the attractive prices of hardware will have more to do with it then anything else.

Brian.Dean
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1/14/2016 | 6:35:29 AM
Used PCs
It would be interesting if eBay, etc., researched whether second hand PC sales were declining or increasing. If it is increasing then, it could be easy to postulate part of the reason for the decline of new PC sales and if it is also declining -- consumer interest in PCs might be over.
Technocrati
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1/14/2016 | 1:13:33 PM
Re: Used PCs

@Brian.Dean    Great point !   I know I have purchased refurbished recently, it would be interesting to know if this is a larger trend. 

If so, that would explain some of the drop in demand.

Gary_EL
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1/14/2016 | 1:15:11 PM
Re: Used PCs
Good point! The reason I buy used PC's is to avoid Windows 8.1 and 10. I wonder how many other people do the same thing?
Brian.Dean
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1/15/2016 | 1:41:52 PM
Re: Used PCs
That is a great point about avoiding operating systems such as, Windows Vista and Windows 8.1 through the utilization of the second hand market. I think the same would apply for hardware as well. For instance, if a device is easily available in the used item market then, it could be an indication to a user that initially the device was a success in the marketplace because, the ergonomics, etc., of the device was made perfectly by the manufacturer.

Another reason is that older devices have a greater amount of open support available in the form of YouTube videos, etc. However, there are examples of companies that have taken note of this and produced in-house YouTube videos plus excellent documentation to go along with a launch of a new product.
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1/16/2016 | 10:10:20 PM
Re: Used PCs
I think for people who use a computer for the basic, going to the web and using office a refurbish computer will be just fine.  They can have a standalone computer and be able to take advantage of all their features.   I do not think Windows 10 will be enough to save the PC market.  Consumers now are mobile and prefer a laptop or a phablet.  I think PC will become a niche technology specially for designers and gamers which need work with more powerful PCs.   
Gary_EL
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1/16/2016 | 10:26:00 PM
Re: Used PCs
Well, more than a niche. Anyone who needs a larger screen, or needs to look at two things at once will need a PC. For instance, right now I have half my screen occupied with your note, and the other half with this response. A laptop screen, let alone a phablet screen, would be too small. But I agree that many people who used to use PC's will be satisfied with laptops and phablets.
mak63
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1/17/2016 | 5:13:23 AM
Re: Used PCs
@PedroGonzales I think PC will become a niche technology specially for designers and gamers which need work with more powerful PCs.   
Don't forget geeks!
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1/26/2016 | 10:39:19 AM
Re: Used PCs
I agree, gamers and designers are going to stick to desktops for the performance and screen size. But if you're just running invoices or writing emails to customers as the basis for your computing a desktop is relatively useless in the age of smartphones and tablets. As for the psuedo-malware ad on my laptop that keep prompting me to install windows 10, how can that 'save' anything? Do people really want to run out and buy a new computer so their new operating system can have a place to work? I don't want to install win 10 because I might HAVE to go to another computer. Working on an older machine, I get wary of any new upgrade because it usually means somethings going to stop working. But what I have works for what I do so why replace it yet?
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1/15/2016 | 12:40:47 PM
Re: Used PCs
"consumer interest". You definitely nailed the reason for permanent decline, @Brian. Windows will last forever in enterprises but the days of everyone having a Win computer at home are gone. And that's no knock on Windows per se, just that internet browsing and person to person communication (read email) have changed so much. Everyone has that capability in their pocket now.

The other variable is how long hardware is viable now. Back in the day, a new machine was such an improvement in stability and speed of function. Now you can't tell difference. Hard drives filled up or failed within a couple of years. Now you have 1TB USB stick drives.

I still have a work computer I took home so I could VPN remotely to my desktop from home. It's was running Win Vista until I recently put Win 7 on it when my daughter picked up some malware. Does that give you some idea how old that hardware is? And it still serves it's purpose for me.
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1/17/2016 | 11:43:37 AM
The change has got to be more than the drop in PCs
Ok, fewer PCs; mpore phones and tablets. More cloud work

 

How has work changed to knock the PC out of the box? Do we use Google Docs to write a letter/document/contracts and then store it in the Cloud? Or do we just use SLAX or other communication apps to substitute for "paperwork"

where has the "paperwork" gone? the stuff tha moves business? Makes deals? Some of it became e-communication, but not all of it.

 

Would also like to see the drop in Office 365 as well -- if PCs drop, the software should as well, no?

 

 
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1/18/2016 | 12:15:30 AM
Re: The change has got to be more than the drop in PCs
Sounds like a Weird Al rendition of a classic 60s protest song: "Where has all the paperwork gone?" Maybe it's all gone to CRM? And maybe some of it's gone back to face to face? Whether that's via teleconferencing or webchats? 
jastroff
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1/18/2016 | 10:08:33 AM
Re: The change has got to be more than the drop in PCs
Yeah, to CRM, and other back ofice efficiences. 

I still don't think that "dop in PC" number has any more meaning if it's not coupled with where the work went, how the work changed, what stayed, what disappeared. 

 

We should pair hardware to workflow -- and then we would get a more useful number.
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1/18/2016 | 12:42:12 PM
Re: The change has got to be more than the drop in PCs
@jastroff, you've got to remember most enterprises are server based, ERP. People like myself have been pounding on the paper reduction since the 80's. Most of our generation of POs to vendors and Order Acks/Invoices to customers is an email with a PDF attachment, there is no paper and no snail mail. MS Office never really played a role in that part of business if you knew what you were doing.

So a Win PC is really just the client side of accessing the server. Most old school ERP, which most of us still use, depended on client software which, for most part, ran on Win. To this day, do you see SAP running on Mac? Linux has made some inroads but that still Intel type PC's. That stuff isn't going to tablets and phones in enterprises, ever. Why does your A/P clerk need to be mobile?

That's why I maintain Win is solid in the enterprise, specifically manufacturing, for a long time. Only if Chrome gets serious about competing, gets ERP ports to that platform, could market share shift radically. The other potential competition comes from porting ERP to browsers, then any cost efficient client becomes feasible in enterprise.

But comparing to the past? Consumers have fled, enterprises were only ever a small portion of that market share.
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1/18/2016 | 5:09:53 PM
Re: The change has got to be more than the drop in PCs
TerryB -- all good stuff.

I just think at this point we are smart enough to pair the rise of different kinds of work to the decline of the PC

 

 


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