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VW Scandal: 59 Early Deaths Expected In US
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batye
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11/2/2015 | 8:05:07 PM
Re: A substantial larger number in Europe - Mandatory recalls
@Pablo Valerio, yes, plus in Eastern Europe... they love diesel cars, as they do have cold winters... but VW did screw up with they doing things... sad... sad... sad... 
batye
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11/2/2015 | 8:02:50 PM
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@mak63 interesting observation... I would have the same question... I have Astma and Diabetes and in Canada VW did the same sxxt... sad reality of corporate greed...
Pablo Valerio
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11/1/2015 | 10:09:11 AM
A substantial larger number in Europe - Mandatory recalls
Tom, 

Unfortunately Diesel is very popular in Europe, where over 55% of new car sold are diesel. That, plus the fact that our population density is 301/sq mi, almost four times the US, could result in thousands of early deaths.

All diesel cars, from all manufacturers, are currently going over the maximum NOx emissions. This is because the conformity factors are extremely lax.

Just three days ago, the EU agreed to a two-step delay to introduce the more strict conformity factors.  The reduction of the conformity factor will be delayed one year to September 2019, as the industry lobby had hoped, and will also be only half the original reduction. The second step will be phased in in January 2021, when the full reduction will take effect.

I recently wrote an opinion piece for Cities of the Future where I argue that the Volkswagen cheat is a good thing. It created a big debate about pollution, diesel, and the need to advance new, cleaner, technologies, such as electric vehicles. Volkswagen and Audi are already moving faster in that direction.

As for recalls, it is necessary that all governments make them mandatory. VW wanted to make them voluntary. But some of the car owners affected might want to keep their cars puffing more NOx in order not to lose torque and fuel efficiency. VW needs to compensate them for that, but they should be forced to "fix" their cars.
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10/31/2015 | 5:18:14 PM
health effects
3,000 days of increased bronchodilator usage

This is apply to whom? I have asthma. To me, it would imply more than a hundred extra inhalers. Not funny, even though i pay just $4 each.
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10/31/2015 | 4:40:30 PM
Re: VW Scandal: 59 Early Deaths Expected In US
@tzubair, yeah, we're talking about putting a dollar value on human life here, so it's impossibly complex to begin with. One could say that the open-ended nature leaves VW open to that much more penalization than if they, say, caused a single big traffic accident. It certainly seems like the researchers did their legwork and then some in saying 'here's how this value tallies up, IF we assume this, this, and this, and here's how it measures up to existing precidents, so this is more likely'. No doubt this incident will be scrutinized as a case study for years to come. The fallout is justifiably catastrophic.


tzubair
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10/31/2015 | 4:24:47 PM
Re: VW Scandal: 59 Early Deaths Expected In US
"The only minor thing I could note is that they counted the full value of the VSL against VW when we're only talking about potentially diminished life expectancy or quality of life for those people... but this is a thorny subject to begin with, and we're not talking about tangible, specific people anyway."

@zerox203: I agree that a lot of it is all numbers and statistical probabilities and in reality not one person may have died from anything. However, I do believe that the company did something wrong and deserves to be fined. If the amount of the fine is being determined through this way, I think it's alright even if the numbers might be exaggerated or unreal.
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10/31/2015 | 4:09:15 PM
Rest of the world
 

"If regulators agree, Volkswagen could be looking at a penalty of several billion dollars in the US alone"

US has given out the verdict but I believe the fraud wasn't restricted to US only and the cars were exported to other countries as well. It'd be interesting to see how other countries react to it and what their stance is on VW. If they too believe in the fine, the outcome can be very critical for VW.

 
zerox203
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10/31/2015 | 2:15:48 PM
Re: VW Scandal: 59 Early Deaths Expected In US
I'm trying to decide whether I consider this research an altruistic attempt to raise public awareness, or a sensationalist publicity-grabber built to capitalize on the big scandal. I suppose the two are not mutually exclusive. I love being skeptical of research numbers, but it looks like the math at play is pretty solid here. The only minor thing I could note is that they counted the full value of the VSL against VW when we're only talking about potentially diminished life expectancy or quality of life for those people... but this is a thorny subject to begin with, and we're not talking about tangible, specific people anyway.

I'm a little confused on the estimation from the 'similary sized group'. Is that 56 in your average group of cars compared to 59 caused by VW cars - IE, not actually that huge of a gap?


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