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Autonomous Vehicles Vs. Helping Humans Drive Better
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tzubair
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10/29/2015 | 3:27:44 PM
Road Safety
I think the Assistive features will give a great deal towards safety and will certainly help cut down the number of accidents. Particularly, the technology to detect if the driver dozes off is going to be very useful. Drivers falling asleep is a major cause of road accidents these days.
SunitaT0
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10/29/2015 | 3:52:37 PM
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I think buses need this autopilot or Adas more than cars because heavy vehicles cause a lot of accidents and are responsible for a lot of more deaths. A full autonomous system full of sensors can alert the driver if something is faulty, be it brakes, fuel pipes etc. It makes for better drivability and safety for cars.
TerryB
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10/30/2015 | 1:28:53 PM
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@Sunita, a sensor controlled car is is great as long as they work. But they don't. I bought a 2004 BWM M3 a couple of years ago. Went to drive home last Friday and learned it has this wonderful (sarcasm included) system called Emergency Limp Home Mode, where it kills all the power to the car because it thinks you have a serious problem based on sensor input. The darn thing stalled my car in rush hour traffic in a construction zone where you can't pull to side of road. Thankfully when I restarted, everything reset and car started functioning normally again. Been a week without any more incidents, so what am I supposed to learn from that? My car was having a bad hair day?

I don't remember having those problems when my cars had a carburetor, for the most part things failed gracefully enough you had time to get them fixed. Now you are not sure if you need to fix your car, your sensors or your onboard computer.
SachinEE
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10/30/2015 | 3:53:56 PM
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Or make cars that make tremendous amounts of noise and produce tremendous amounts of vibration. The first time I drove a Dodge Challenger, it left me unable to sleep because of the tremendous amounts of noise the engine makes. Also the vibrations were enough to make you feel like you are sitting inside a small earthquake zone. Speaking of passenger safety, I think I am more impressed with the Tesla Autopilot than the Google safety system. Let's see what Apple does with their car.
shakeeb
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10/31/2015 | 12:49:34 PM
Re: Road Safety
@SunitaT- Almost all vehicles both heavy and light vehicles could have these driving assistant features. We just need to be careful that no one could hack into these systems which could cause disaster. 
SunitaT0
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10/29/2015 | 3:54:36 PM
Re: Road Safety
Or maybe the driver can put the car on Autopilot and doze off. If autonomous systems are really going to help, then they must first get full independent control of the variables that are governing the car and passenger safety.
tzubair
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10/30/2015 | 11:12:00 PM
Re: Road Safety
"If autonomous systems are really going to help, then they must first get full independent control of the variables that are governing the car and passenger safety."

@SunitaT0: It may sound good in theory, but I doubt how many people will actually be comfortable and feel safe while sitting in a totally autonomous car with no human driver at all. It may become acceptable later on, but I feel people would be just a little reserved even though how good the technology may be at this time.
shakeeb
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10/31/2015 | 12:51:55 PM
Re: Road Safety
@SunitaT- The acceleration deceleration steering and the brakes are the most critical components that the autopilot system would need to have full control of. 
mak63
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10/29/2015 | 10:53:59 PM
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I'm in favor of ADAS. Who wouldn't? As long as I have the last saying on the correct course of action; or as the author says: "Humans need to engage with and direct their machines, not be driven by them"

"For automakers, creating self-driving cars may be an appealing technical challenge, but creating better-driving cars is a more attainable goal."
How about a goal of creating better drivers? Not just with technology, but also with education.
nasimson
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10/30/2015 | 9:38:28 AM
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@mak: Creating better drivers has been tried for almost a century now. Stil mostl accidents happen due to driver mistakes. The problem with driver training is that each driver has to be trained from zero. The benefit with cars is that the new model has all the leanings of the old model built in.
SachinEE
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10/30/2015 | 3:57:20 PM
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@Nasimson. Probably. Or make a software division and roll out software updates for the car just like a computer company. Or make a really good AI that learns from past mistakes. Only problem would be if it goes Rogue.
shakeeb
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10/31/2015 | 1:05:27 PM
Re: Road Safety
I am wondering if we would have anti-virus software sold for cars. I pray they have strong security to ensure the passengers in the car are safe. Else a remotely controlled car could be the ultimate killing machine. 
mak63
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10/30/2015 | 4:16:41 PM
Re: Road Safety
@nasimson I don't know if the drivers have to start from zero, but I'm sure they need to correct what they do wrong. Perhaps it will be a good idea to send drivers to a class, those who get a ticket or an accident where they're at fault. That would be a good start.
"The benefit with cars is that the new model has all the leanings of the old model built in. "
We could say something similar applies to us. When a relationship between teacher and student (or mentor/disciple) exists, wouldn't you say?
shakeeb
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10/31/2015 | 1:00:32 PM
Re: Road Safety
@nasimson – Human mind is such that it cannot concentrate on just one thing hence getting everything right for a human is very difficult. I think self-driving cars would do much better to reduce the chance of accidents. 
Joe Stanganelli
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10/30/2015 | 11:52:27 AM
Re: Road Safety
Hear hear.  Self-driving car advocates whine about how humans are bad at driving so therefore lets turn it over to the machines.  What if we just make humans better at driving?
SachinEE
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10/30/2015 | 3:55:25 PM
Re: Road Safety
@Joe: I don't like leaving my life to a machine. But it is true in a fully automated driving grid, there would be zero accidents because cars would communicate with each other.
mak63
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10/30/2015 | 4:31:28 PM
Re: Road Safety
@SachinEE "...But it is true in a fully automated driving grid, there would be zero accidents because cars would communicate with each other."

Yep, but where is the fun on that?
Perhaps we might need many more private racing clubs/tracks, to blow off some steam.
Joe Stanganelli
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11/3/2015 | 9:10:20 AM
Re: Road Safety
@SachinEE: Reminds me of a question posed in a book I read when I was a kid: "Would you rather be safe, or would you rather be free?"
tzubair
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10/30/2015 | 11:14:33 PM
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"How about a goal of creating better drivers? Not just with technology, but also with education."

@mak63: I think that goes without saying. No matter how sophisticated the technology may be, there's no substittue to a better driver who knows and follows the rules. The technology is there as a back up option just in case the driver falters by mistake. Even the best of drivers can sometimes end up in situations beyond their control.
shakeeb
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10/31/2015 | 12:56:51 PM
Re: Road Safety
@mak63 – I think it's just a better way of travelling, now you get to spend the time you take to go to work in a much productive relaxed way. Now you could concentrate of much important things. Imagine someone spending about 2 hours to get to work and 4 hours a day just for transport. 
shakeeb
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10/31/2015 | 12:58:09 PM
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@mak63 – There are some individuals who needs the driving pleasure, for them I think they need to have the option to turn off the autopilot and drive. 
mak63
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10/31/2015 | 2:14:58 PM
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@shakeeb "...concentrate of much important things"
Yes, a lot of people would like that. Actually, many, many years ago, a friend of mine used to take taxi cabs to go everywhere. The reason was as you just said. More time for thinking, reading, or studying, my friend used to say.

 "some individuals who needs the driving pleasure"

I'm one of them. Nonetheless, in a long commute, on the rush hour, i wouldn't mind the autopilot taking over.
shakeeb
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10/31/2015 | 11:46:25 PM
Re: Road Safety
@mak63 – I think all sports cars should be driven by humans but you could have crash prevention techniques installed. 
shakeeb
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10/31/2015 | 11:48:26 PM
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@mak63 – Sometimes it's a great relief not having to drive on a rush hour and at times you want to drive on a weekend.  The driver should always be allowed to select the mode they want. 
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11/1/2015 | 11:56:30 AM
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@mak63. i think car companies should add more features to support drivers on the road.  I would be once of those drivers that would get a new car with such features.  Since car accident fatalities are high, such features will be a good PR for companies and save people's lives as well.  Something we can all agree is beneficial for the public good. I wouldn't mind taking a nice nap while i'm stuck in traffic.  
mak63
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11/1/2015 | 10:10:30 PM
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@PedroGonzales "I wouldn't mind taking a nice nap while I'm stuck in traffic."
I wouldn't either, whether is in the AM or PM. Actually, if we think about it, what to do while in an autonomous car is getting bigger and bigger. Can you imagine what a couple would do stuck in traffic with those very dark tinted windows? I can!
Joe Stanganelli
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11/3/2015 | 9:11:58 AM
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@mak: People already take naps and, er, take "advanced naps" in traffic.  There would probably still be laws against those things even with automated cars because of the need of a human operator to take over in an emergency (not to mention laws against public indecency in the latter case).
shakeeb
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10/31/2015 | 12:41:01 PM
Re: Road Safety
@tzubair- I wish this could prevent drink and drive accidents and accidents caused by dangerous driving. This will definitely cut down at least 50% of the accidents if implemented properly. 
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10/29/2015 | 5:26:17 PM
I want to be driven...
Remember when we dialed phone numbers one number at a time? Now we touch the contact we want to call and the phone dials. Sometime we tell Siri to call. Automation is good. Of course we are not as good as memorizing phone numbers, but that's something Einstein wasn't willing to be very good at either.

Manual transmission? Yes, for a purer driving experience. But most of us are driving auto. That's just how things are: if we don't have to we don't have to. And autonomous/self-driving cars? Same thing; I'd rather not have to deal with traffic and instead relax, work, or do something else while my car deals with the stress of driving through traffic. I'm looking forward to it.
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10/31/2015 | 12:54:18 PM
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@jnskm – The best part of the story is you don't have to drive in traffic, you could just turn on the autopilot and relax. It just eases your mind and helps you relax. 
Joe Stanganelli
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10/30/2015 | 11:49:59 AM
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"proven themselves"

Proven themselves how?

That they make driving more dangerous for human drivers?  They've certainly proven themselves that way. 

nytimes.com/2015/09/02/technology/personaltech/google-says-its-not-the-driverless-cars-fault-its-other-drivers.html

And if we ban human-driven cars, all we've really done is make the road system a form of mass transit.


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