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impactnow
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10/28/2015 | 12:23:56 PM
Re: Layoffs, yes, but many higher level tasks remain undone

 

While I understand the fear of robots that seems to permeate the reality is that some tasks are better suited to robots and it does enable individuals to advance beyond jobs that are rote and usually low paying. Robots and technology in general tend to complete these jobs with more ease and with greater efficiency for our future generations we need to help them understand and focus on the jobs that involve them personally not those that are better suited to automation.

SaneIT
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10/27/2015 | 10:10:30 AM
Re: Layoffs, yes, but many higher level tasks remain undone
I agree that it can be done, the issue is the pain that comes before we get our feet back under ourselves.  Even if you grow all of your own food that doesn't pay the mortgage you took out 5 years before a fleet of robots took every job you're qualified to perform.  I've heard some things like "living wages" paid to citizens just to survive once the workforce needs are dropped so dramatically but I just don't see that going over well at all.
David Wagner
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10/26/2015 | 2:05:02 PM
Re: Layoffs, yes, but many higher level tasks remain undone
I don't know about obsolete, but not needed to make the planet run. I firmly believe we can always reinvent ourselves. But I have to say that only some of us are capable of thinking deeply enough to be scientists, artists etc. One wonders what the rest of us will do. Will we suddenly realize we have gifts we've never known about? Will we educate ourselves differently and find new things to do? Will we sit around doing nothing because we can? In a world where nothing is required of you, what do you do because you want to? It is a very interesting question.
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10/26/2015 | 1:42:21 PM
Re: Layoffs, yes, but many higher level tasks remain undone
David,

I hope you are not trying to suggest here that people will get obsolete if they don't reinvent themselves according to the Needs of the Robotic Nirvana Age ?

That sceanario would be to frightening for me personally.

It would be as if Human Opinion and needs no longer mattered to take care of Humans .

Frightening,Frightening sceanrio indeed!

 
Ashu001
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10/26/2015 | 1:35:33 PM
If you think Ordinary Americans are going to take this Automation lying down you gotta shock coming.
If one only looks at the all the recent lawsuits filed by Ordinary American IT/Accountant workers when their jobs got outsourced to people thousands of miles away(The Disney lawsuit was the most famous case);One realizes that ordinary Americans are made out of sterner stuff and just won't stand down when faced with such an eventuality.

Sure,Automation will get more aggressive going ahead but its likely to come about only in Areas where the People let it.

Anything more is expecting too much .

 
David Wagner
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10/26/2015 | 1:31:07 PM
Re: Layoffs, yes, but many higher level tasks remain undone
@ashu001- I'm not 100% sure the invisible hand even operates as expected these days. Even Smith suggested it had its limits. The economy, as Gartner said two weeks ago, is increasing run by algorithms. They might be the new invisible hand. 

At any rate, there may simply be no market at the point of 100% robot takeover. It may be paradise or the opposite. It may be like we're adult babies in a giant robot day care with nothing to do all day. I don't know.

The one thing that is true as much as it is fun to be futurist about it is that we've got a very real transition to make before we get close to robot nirvana. It is the task of yet again, rethinking what work means. We've done it before. The industrial revolution chaned work in so many ways we had to create a concept of a work week of 40 hours instead of one run by the seasons.

We will need to rethink work in the information age more than we've been willing to do so far.
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10/26/2015 | 1:15:37 PM
Re: Layoffs, yes, but many higher level tasks remain undone
SaneIT,

We already have such countries on the Planet today in Greece and Portugal.

Its a difficult to live in-Absolutely no doubt about it but moving towards a more sustainable lifestyle can make this happen for sure.

No Doubts about it.

If you grow a significant percentage of your Food yourself in sustainable fashion the need to earn Money automatically dimnishes.

Does'nt it?

 
Ashu001
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10/26/2015 | 1:10:13 PM
Re: Layoffs, yes, but many higher level tasks remain undone
David,

There are some serious problems with that sceanario(as you have outlined) playing out.

For One)How do you replace the Invisible Hand of the Market in Pricing various Goods and Services if everyone just stops working?

Depending on the Government to take up this responsibility instead won't help matters for most concerned simply because Governments can and usually are easily corrupted.

So what do we do to solve this situation?

I have a slightly different take.

In the future we will have only 4 Classes of Jobs

1)Government Related Jobs

2)People Related Jobs

3)Animals/Nature Related Jobs

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4)Technology related Jobs.

 

Everyother type of job will become obsolete going ahead.

 
David Wagner
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10/26/2015 | 12:44:15 PM
Re: Layoffs, yes, but many higher level tasks remain undone
@saneIT- Yeah, that's exactly what I was getting at.
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10/26/2015 | 12:40:40 PM
Re: Layoffs, yes, but many higher level tasks remain undone
@nomii- I'm quite sure in some future world, there will be no need for humans to work. We'll build robots that do the work, even robots that design and repair future robots. We'll all lie around and be fed bon bons by robots and do art and science all day for fun and human improvement. Like Star Trek but with better robots. There is no reason whatsoever that we should have to work just to be employed and make money. 

The problem is not building a robot that can replace us all and free us up to live a nice life. We will eventually make robots that can do anything.

The problem is when we have robots for half the jobs. Because the jobs we'll replace first are the low paying jobs. We'll create a terrible class war between people who still have a job and those that don't. And we'll use words like freeloader and drag on the economy and all of that. We already see it in the elections in the US now. 

What do you do when you have more people than people you need to employ to make the world work? That's scary. But it isn't scary at all to have a world where no one needs to work, because you'll change your view of money and goods enitrely.
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