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Desperate Yahoo Inks Search, Ad Deal With Google
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Michelle
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10/21/2015 | 11:04:24 AM
Googlehoo
Wow, this isn't something we would have expect several years ago. I wonder what will happen next for Yahoo. Will Alphabet eventually acquire Yahoo?
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10/21/2015 | 11:08:48 AM
Re: Googlehoo
I think that's probably fairly likely. Or maybe Microsoft Bing will buy them up. Yahoo's glory days appear to be firmly fixed in the past. I think we're seeing a slow fade into obscurity. The internet has changed a lot since Yahoo dominated in the late 90s and early 2000s.
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10/21/2015 | 1:05:24 PM
Re: Googlehoo
@jagibbons,

" I think we're seeing a slow fade into obscurity."

This says it all. Yahoo was just not able to keep up when Google started picking up momentum, which in my mind was when gmail launched (it was for me at least, that's when I switched from my yahoo mail to my gmail). I see Yahoo going down the same path as blackberry and Nokia... they'll either be absorbed by another company, or will shrink there business scope further... but I don't think they'll be able to keep the lights on for much time.

IMHO, the reason bing is finding success is because of Internet Explorer...it's set up as the default browser, and many folks (including me) like using it (althought many times I'll switch between Google and Bing depending on what I'm looking for, but 8 times of out 10 bing I get similar results). Yahoo right now doesn't have anything specifically driving business to them (aside from the annoying "set yahoo as your defaul search provider" checkbox when installing programs)
jagibbons
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10/21/2015 | 2:13:24 PM
Re: Googlehoo
Yahoo isn't going to win search. To survive, Yahoo needs to find some other differentiator. Or, just decide to cash out and shop for buyers.
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10/21/2015 | 2:14:36 PM
Re: Googlehoo
@jabgibbons but who would want to buy it? What benefit would it deliver to a company that it can't build up on its own? 
jagibbons
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10/21/2015 | 2:17:20 PM
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I'm not an investor in Yahoo, so I can only speculate. Even though they are losing marketshare, they still have a sizable business in ad-based revenue. They may have some other contractual partnerships that could be attractive, or even some intellectual property. If there isn't anything of value, I hope all those investors and decent folks working at Yahoo get out before the proverbial house of cards collapses.
Ariella
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10/21/2015 | 2:23:53 PM
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@jagibbons the market is not seeing much value now. I looked it up and found this headline "Yahoo stock slips as analysts forecast 'little hope' for near term"
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10/21/2015 | 2:30:11 PM
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The slide may happen pretty quickly. There's still a lot of equity there right now, but that can change quickly if someone starts a sell off.
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10/21/2015 | 7:31:47 PM
Re: Googlehoo
Even though they are losing marketshare, they still have a sizable business in ad-based revenue. 

This is interesting because I hate the ads on Yahoo for two big reasons: 1) they're not targeted to me and 2) they cause all kinds of big delays in email reception. When my Yahoo email gets stuck and doesn't refresh and I can tell new emails are not coming in, it's always because some ad was loading and until it does, everything on Yahoo stops. Is this because they're behind in technology or because the ad file sizes have just gotten so big? So annoying.

 
Joe Stanganelli
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10/21/2015 | 7:08:14 PM
Re: Googlehoo
I think if not for Marissa Mayer taking over and the tech media watching her every move (and outfit) for her first year or two, Yahoo would have already faded into obscurity.
soozyg
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10/21/2015 | 8:05:19 PM
Re: Googlehoo
Mayer certainly created a buzz when she called everyone back to the office. People thought that was going to be a huge turnaround for the the company. Guess it takes more than filled cubicles to power success.
Joe Stanganelli
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10/24/2015 | 2:48:32 PM
Re: Googlehoo
Funny; I seem to recall much more negative publicity and a lot of pundits saying the anti-work-from-home maneuver would wind up being bad for business in the long run.

In any case, I'm hesitant to chalk the company's failures up to *that* and engage in post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning; after all, Yahoo had its problems well before Mayer, too.
soozyg
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10/25/2015 | 2:37:07 PM
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I was being sarcastic about the cubicle move. Of course that doesn't make or break a company.

Yes, there was a lot of negativity. A lot of telecommuting employees with children got their moment in the sun because the media gave them a megaphone.

I guess what I mean is that I remember Mayer's "radical" move stirring up a lot of talk. The media labeled it bold and asked will it ultimately save the company. But, as you say, the problems preceded her.
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10/25/2015 | 10:30:01 PM
Re: Googlehoo
Google is my "go to" search engine. I don't find as much success with yahoo, bing, or askjeeves, so I strictly use google whenever I want to search anything.
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10/25/2015 | 11:24:31 PM
Re: Googlehoo
That was the part of Mayer's strategy that got the most press. But another major part of the strategy was to go on a major acquistions spree --- the purchase of Tumblr being one of the bigger ones. How are those going?
Joe Stanganelli
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10/26/2015 | 11:00:03 PM
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The Tumblr integration is slow-going, with most of the progress coming this year.  The recent YHOO earnings call indicated that Tumblr has finally been integrated into the company's Flurry developer API.
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10/26/2015 | 11:08:58 PM
Re: Googlehoo
Was that planned slow-going? Or was it a failure to quickly integrate this high-profile acquisition? I had heard the reason for all the acquisition was simply to get that talent in-house, so maybe it was worth it. Another Yahoo strategy. Apps. I'd like to know how big a failure that's been too. They have an app for everything and I personally dislike it. I can't see anyone liking it. Too many apps!
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10/27/2015 | 6:05:54 PM
Re: Googlehoo
I had heard the reason for all the acquisition was simply to get that talent in-house, so maybe it was worth it.

That would make the most sense since everyone questioned the value of buying a company that had never shown a profit.
Joe Stanganelli
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10/27/2015 | 8:24:34 PM
Re: Googlehoo
@soozy: What does profit have to do with anything in Silicon Valley?  ;)
Joe Stanganelli
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10/27/2015 | 8:23:43 PM
Re: Googlehoo
I'm not an app fan but apps seem to be the direction the whole industry is going in.  Perhaps Millennials prefer them...

And yes, Yahoo is all about the acqui-hires.
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10/27/2015 | 10:46:18 PM
Re: Googlehoo
That's funny because what millennial or Gen Z'er (or whatever they're called) uses Yahoo anything, app or otherwise? They've tried to rebrand themselves and make themselves cool, in a pop culture sense and in a Valley sense. But I wonder if they've succeeded in either sense.
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10/28/2015 | 2:22:33 AM
Re: Googlehoo
Yahoo needs to reinvigorate their business.  A tough challenge, as it likely involves innovation and capturing of a cultural generation, with hopes it changes the stagnate perception it currently holds.

 
Joe Stanganelli
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10/28/2015 | 4:47:56 PM
Re: Googlehoo
To be fair, I think it's important to note that Yahoo is not a complete dud of a company -- but when compared to ad and search competitors like Google and Facebook, it looks extremely lackluster.  It still delivers an overwhelming number of ad impressions -- but those impressions are substantially lower than the number of impressions Facebook delivers.
Joe Stanganelli
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10/28/2015 | 4:41:57 PM
Re: Googlehoo
Or, for that matter, how many Millennials are using Google Plus?

I'm not sure Yahoo is totally out of it, in any case.
Joe Stanganelli
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10/26/2015 | 10:56:55 PM
Re: Googlehoo
I think she was a high-profile choice for CEO when she came in and for a while literally everything she did caught tons of media attention, regardless of what it was.
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10/21/2015 | 7:38:15 PM
Re: Googlehoo
Also, Yahoo connects email subject lines which is horribly confusing. For one of my clients, I have 88 emails under the header "technical support" or something vague like that because they use the same subject header for every response. I don't know who at Yahoo decided it was a good idea to group email by subject, but it's very confusing. When there are multiple parties I'm not sure who's included in each email correspondance or what attachments they're going to receive so I tend to create a new email every time I respond. 
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10/27/2015 | 12:21:59 PM
Re: Googlehoo
@soozyg - I hated that "conversation grouping" feature as well, and if I remember correctly, Google did it first, so I presume Yahoo stole it thinking Google knows what's best.  Awful idea.
Joe Stanganelli
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10/27/2015 | 8:25:19 PM
Re: Googlehoo
@vnewman2: In that case, I wonder when we'll get "Yahoo Wave" and "Yahoo Plus."  ;)
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10/28/2015 | 12:40:34 PM
Re: Googlehoo
@JoeStanganelli - I've often wondered if anyone actually uses any of those Google Apps.  I don't even know what I'm supposed to do with Google Plus and I just had to check to see if Google Wave was even still around (it's not).  Proof that not everything Google touches turns to gold.
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10/28/2015 | 10:32:21 PM
Re: Googlehoo
Sure, not everything that Google touches turns to gold, but it keeps churning, churning, churning. Isn't that the whole basis of Alphabet? Even more churn? Yahoo isn't churning. It's mimicking.
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10/29/2015 | 4:48:16 PM
Re: Googlehoo
Exactly, which is why I think the ought to learn (fast) that they need to come up with their own original ideas and not just copy other people's (Google's) product offerings.
Joe Stanganelli
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10/29/2015 | 11:27:11 PM
Re: Googlehoo
Yeah, but even Google isn't immune to mimicking.  Google+ (Facebook) and Google Buzz (Twitter) come immediately to mind.
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10/30/2015 | 10:41:22 PM
Re: Googlehoo
Joe, you're not going to let Google off the hook, are you? I suppose then the difference is the proportion of mimicry to original ideas ... or maybe not even original ideas. Cool ideas done well. Yahoo has been on the shallow end of that spectrum since perhaps the early 2000s.
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10/21/2015 | 7:39:56 PM
Re: Googlehoo
I liked the Bing ads, too. They showed that it was more graphically pleasing than Google. They really tried.
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10/28/2015 | 2:17:25 AM
Yahoo, like the bell bottoms of the 70s..
Yahoo unfortunately lost its groove.

Like bell bottoms of the 70's, Yahoo got stuck in the 90's and never was able to forge past it.  it was just a fad.  Google came along and capitalized on stagnant Yahoo, and continued to be a trend maker, building an expansive portfolio of projects that peeked people's curiosity.
Joe Stanganelli
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10/28/2015 | 4:45:59 PM
Re: Yahoo, like the bell bottoms of the 70s..
Seth Godin explains that what happened to Yahoo was that once it struck it big, it started thinking and acting like a very risk-averse giant -- and stopped acting like the nimble startup that made it a success.  This has allowed Google to trample all over it.


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