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JML123
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9/28/2015 | 9:31:13 AM
Software Experience?
The company doesn't need software experience; they need a leader who is willing to make difficult choices, like improving engineering, or not selling cars in a market that requires better fuel efficiency than they can muster.

 

Now that we know Audi also had the cheat device (and who knows about Porsche?), we better check all cars from all companies...

 

VW doesn't need software experience; our government agencies tasked with protecting us do...
stevew928
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9/28/2015 | 9:44:21 AM
No software knowledge necessary....
There is no software knowledge necessary to solve this one.

He needs to start by issuing a buy-back of all the affected models. Get them off the road as quickly as possible, and hope for leinency in fines for taking quick action, and it's the move that will most likely make current owners happy (and it saves a LOT of time and money trying to 'rig' the affected vehicles up).

Then, he should probably offer some kind of incentive to these owners as a way to make-up and potentially win them back. They are going to have a hard enough time going forward without 11 million pissed off former customers!

And, to at least attempt to undo the massive (highly politically incorrect!) 'green' screw-up they've committed, they'll have to get real green, real quick.... donating to green causes... making their cars, plants, etc. ultra-green going forward, etc. That's going to be a tough one... maybe they'd better double the efforts on an electric car or something. Possibly software knowledge will be helpful here, I suppose (if that's what the article was aiming at).

Finally, they'll have to hope and pray for the goldfish attention span of the populace and move on to as many positive things as they can possibly pull off on the PR front.
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9/28/2015 | 11:02:32 AM
Re: No software knowledge necessary....
Here in Ontario we have emission testing on most vehicles every 2 years. It used to be that the machines would be hooked up directly to the exhaust system with another module hooked into the console. That seemed like a simple testing method for compliancy.


These systems have been updated in Ontario & are largely reading the diagnostics from the in-car computing. Seems like the former method would have been better since it reads direct from the exhaust system.

I figure with more advanced automotive computing we'll probably see more of these issues moving forward.
zerox203
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9/28/2015 | 11:49:16 AM
Re: Volkswagen's New CEO Brings Software Know-How
It definitely seems like a timely PR move and due consideration was given to how his background would affect the company, but yeah, many of the details are as yet unknown. Moreover, we can only speculate how much direct agency one man really has in the long-term goings on of a company this size, and how much he'll actually be getting his hands dirty rooting out that corruption and spearheading new software plans. I had to do a double-take at the amount of emissions listed - not forty percent more, but forty times more. repairing that is going to be a multidisciplenary effort that will require buy-in from all parts of the organization. Marketing has to come up with tasteful commercials for years to come, , recalls, buybacks, PR, etc., have to be handled, and the role of IT/Software is obvious. No small undertaking.
impactnow
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9/28/2015 | 1:11:41 PM
Re: Volkswagen's New CEO Brings Software Know-How

 

Hopefully we will see technology used for the better of these vehicles rather than for the detriment of society. It's sad when we see someone using technology to avoid standards that are designed to help us all. The penalties for this type of know invasion of standards need to be stiffer to avoid this type of manipulation in the future.

stevew928
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9/28/2015 | 1:51:48 PM
Re: No software knowledge necessary....
I'm very curious if we're going to see more fallout from this as time goes on. I find it hard to imagine that some other auto-maker didn't purchase a VW TDI over all of those years to do their own testing to figure out how VW was pulling it off (and why they couldn't). And, if they would have done so, they would have discovered this cheat. And, that almost certainly being the case, why wouldn't they have exposed VW? So, my guess is that there are a lot of skeletons in the closet here.

(Actually, VW was caught once in the past, and I think this current issue was known as far as a year ago if the sources I've recently heard are correct... haven't had time to check them myself. Also, there are some EU/Russia/Germany/USA politics going on here which I'm not sure can be ignored in the breaking of this story at this moment in time... but that's a whole other discussion.)

But, yes, it's clear more *actual* testing needs to be done vs just trusting the computer or simplistic test environment. And, in this case, it's not like they have to test every single car with advanced methods. If the govt. just went at random (like Consumers Report does) and purchased one and did advanced testing on it... so long as the results matched up, maybe the more simplistic testing on every vehicle would be fine.

What also ticks me off about this (as a VW TDI owner wanting to actually help the environment... aside from practicality and performance) is that NOx is REAL pollution, and all this global warming baloney lead the EU to choose NOx over CO2 (not directly harmful) as a matter of policy. This lead VW and other makers to strive for 'clean' diesel, as diesel emmits much less CO2 than gasoline. I was tricked into believing they'd found a best of both worlds solution, when in fact they (and by extension, I) were/was poisoning people vs feeding plants.
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9/28/2015 | 3:12:59 PM
Re: No software knowledge necessary....
I agree, it is a bit of a shock to say the least when owners of diesel cars who purchased them not necessarily only for the cost savings in regards to fuel, but also because they genuinely though they were buying a car that was going to be less harmful on the environment, to find out that well, their car is worse for the environment.

The issue for VW is that now they will have to work twice as hard to prove that any future diesel or "clean energy" cars can actually prove their claim, as even software is going to be met with skepticism.  It's great that VW was caught for their false claims, but it also means that VW has a lot of image and branding repair to do.

Such a shame, but it will hopefully mean more stringent testing on all levels before these claims can be used in advertising.
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9/28/2015 | 10:44:24 PM
Standard
.I read the article about BMW emissions.They denied any wrongdoing, even though the tests say otherwise. In one part the article says: "We (BMW) observe the legal requirements in each country."
Why there isn't a global standard about diesel emissions? What is bad or unhealthy in a country (USA) can't be good to another, right? Am I missing something here?
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9/29/2015 | 10:49:51 AM
Re: Volkswagen's New CEO Brings Software Know-How
@impactnow,

Very true. When we talk about the 'smart car' the 'smart home' and the 'Internet of Things', these are the sorts of things that people are worried about. Someone will abuse a loophole, our privacy and our lives will be vulnerable, or, as in the Volkswagen case, the technology will be used to exploit the consumer, rather than benefit them, and we'll be none the wiser. It seems we have a sort of 'wild west' where the technology is moving faster than standards can keep up, and companies are using the technology first and worrying about compliance later. Look at unwanted WiFi tracking of customers in stores; it's a legal gray area. Standards are absolutely the key here.
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9/29/2015 | 11:39:35 AM
Re: Volkswagen's New CEO Brings Software Know-How
xerox203 sadly untl our legisltion process catches up to these types of crimes we are destined to see more of them in the future. The punishment need to fit the breach rather have consumers or shareholders pay the price.
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