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jnskm
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8/31/2015 | 4:20:43 PM
HTML5
Reminds me of when Steve Jobs wrote "Thoughts On Flash" way back when. Flash is great for animations and videos, but it does seem to be riddled with performance issues (requires a lot of hardware resources) and security issues. The computers I have start to sweat a bit (fans start spinning faster and the entire system starts to run slower) when Flash is running (games, videos, etc.). I wouldn't mind having an alternative that requires less hardware resources and less security risks. I think that would be HTML5.

If/when the transition from Flash to HTML5 is complete, we can once again have parity between iOS devices, Android devices, and PCs when it comes to animations and videos. And our devices will run faster, last longer, and hopefully with less security issues. But I'm sure it will take some time; it's been 5 years since Steve Jobs wrote that article...
mejiac
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8/31/2015 | 4:26:30 PM
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To add to your comment,

Back in 2009, the company that I was working for was already working on getting away from Flash as part of there web development. Aside from becoming early HTL5 adopters, the performance issues with flash were enought to motivate the dev team to move away from flash development.

This announcement is of no surprise. At the end of the day, Flash is still a layer on top of the browser, requiring it's own updates, so sooner or later it was goign to run it's course, and even more so given how much web traffic is generated from smartphones and tablets that don't support flash
larryloeb
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8/31/2015 | 4:43:19 PM
Re: HTML5
I say again:

why is Flash even being used?
mejiac
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8/31/2015 | 4:49:05 PM
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@larryloed,

If I had to take a stab at answering, I would say it has to do with product delivery and cost. Many developers and designers know flash inside and out. Many sites (like facebook and those focused and game content) favor flash since the delivery and turn around may be quicker.

What does do community think?
larryloeb
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8/31/2015 | 5:27:55 PM
Re: HTML5
Yeah, hivemind: Why does Flash still live?
stevew928
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9/1/2015 | 11:06:48 AM
Re: HTML5
Yep, lazy and/or ignorant developers.
larryloeb
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9/1/2015 | 11:57:49 AM
Re: HTML5
Well, maybe upper management didn't want them to change.

I mean, the suits thought it worked.
stevew928
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9/1/2015 | 1:04:16 PM
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Fair point, but I'm talking in general. And, if that's the case, probably time to find a new place to work with a bit smarter suits.
larryloeb
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9/1/2015 | 1:11:28 PM
Re: HTML5
In general, suits have no idea about code issues.

The good ones realize that.
larryloeb
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8/31/2015 | 4:41:53 PM
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@jnskm

So, why is Flash still being used?

I don't get it.
jnskm
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8/31/2015 | 5:08:05 PM
Re: HTML5
@larryloeb:

I think @mejiac has a good point. There are many Flash developers who are very good at what they do and they have been creating animations, games, etc. for many years. It is hard to change course especially if you've been doing something and doing it well for a long time.

Despite the performance and security issues related to Flash, I think Flash is still the easiest way to get animation and video up on the web. That might be another reason why. One more reason might be HTML5 animation/video development tools might not be as robust as Flash? Any other ideas?
larryloeb
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8/31/2015 | 5:29:04 PM
Re: HTML5
@jnskm

So it's just inertia and laziness?

 
mejiac
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8/31/2015 | 11:21:49 PM
Re: HTML5
@jnskm,

Thank you for your comment. And I agree with your line of thought...because Flash has both been around longer and has wider adoptance you have a wider scope of implementation.

I don't doubt that flash will be a thing of the past, or evolve into something else, but for many areas Flash is very much alive (I can atest to this to the educational online programs that my son is exposed too which are all flash based)

Mobile apps have caused a shift, but many (if not all) when having an app go across multiple platform, the web version is usually flash based.
larryloeb
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9/1/2015 | 7:24:01 AM
Re: HTML5
@mejiac

Yes, Flash is established and out there.

But should it be gone?
mejiac
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9/1/2015 | 9:47:59 AM
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@larryloed,

I don't think it'll be gone...Adobe will probably seek a way so that the different platforms can co-exist.
larryloeb
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9/1/2015 | 9:59:00 AM
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@mejiac

They have been stonewalling and patching so far.

Doesn't seem like they are doing a rewrite or anything.
mejiac
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9/1/2015 | 10:28:38 AM
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@larryloeb,

Agreed, reason why I think it's a matter of time when they either seek and pursue a true solution to be able to integrate with today's ecosystem...or be part of the "once great companies" list :)
larryloeb
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9/1/2015 | 10:41:51 AM
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As so many have fallen by the wayside.

Yeah, they have to do something here. People are just going around them.
stevew928
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9/1/2015 | 11:08:56 AM
Re: HTML5
And, they apparently didn't pay attention to Jobs over 5 years ago.
larryloeb
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9/1/2015 | 11:59:17 AM
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Well, he hadn't been declared a Saint at that point.

He was just another upstart fighting the Machine.
stevew928
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9/1/2015 | 1:06:55 PM
Re: HTML5
Well, he was (as usual) smart enough to recognize where things were going. Flash was already dead at that point, it just hadn't fallen over yet. And, it took the rest of the world much longer to catch up to that realization.
larryloeb
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9/1/2015 | 1:13:24 PM
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Quite true on his vision.

But, at the time, HTML5 was not a viable alternative for a lot of people.

And, again at the time, it was viewed by many as just another shot at Adobe after the FontWars.
stevew928
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9/1/2015 | 1:32:23 PM
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True, it wasn't a viable alternative for *some* applications, but was for 95% of what Flash was being used for out on the Web. And, while I applaud Jobs for taking the stand he did (and starting the avalanche), it didn't exactly take a ton of vision on that one.

I was quite against Flash before that, as the resources it required were outrageous, it was quite buggy and a huge security hole, AND the biggest reason, it was quickly becoming a non-standard, in that more and more devices couldn't (or shouldn't) use it.

I think the biggest surprise to me, were the companies that jumped on-board to support it, in an almost suicidal move. I'd have to think it was simply a gut attempt to just go against Jobs, rather than anyone actually taking the time to think it through.
larryloeb
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9/1/2015 | 1:41:30 PM
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> I'd have to think it was simply a gut attempt to just go against Jobs

Adobe had a LOT of influence five years ago.

And money to spend.
stevew928
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9/1/2015 | 2:12:28 PM
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Hmm, maybe I haven't been following Adobe close enough, but wouldn't that still be the case? And, if memory serves, it wasn't Adobe pushing Flash so much as the user/developer-base, right?
larryloeb
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9/1/2015 | 2:22:53 PM
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Well, i mean that the train seemed to stop at their station more during then.

They had some big creative tools (and still do) where there was no good alternatives.

They user base didnt have another good alternative then, as I said. The security problems has not really shown up at that point.

But they do have alternatives now.
stevew928
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9/1/2015 | 3:10:03 PM
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Yes, again, alternatives depends on what was needed to be acomplished.

But, security was already a big issue back then... (from Jobs' open letter):

"Symantec recently highlighted Flash for having one of the worst security records in 2009. We also know first hand that Flash is the number one reason Macs crash. We have been working with Adobe to fix these problems, but they have persisted for several years now. We don't want to reduce the reliability and security of our iPhones, iPods and iPads by adding Flash."
larryloeb
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9/1/2015 | 4:04:32 PM
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Yes, Jobs concentrated on what affected Macs.

But I dont remember Flash being used so much as a malware entry vector.
stevew928
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9/1/2015 | 3:17:44 PM
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Back in the day, I was a Novell CNE. If I hadn't moved on, I'd have been out of work!

And, people using Flash should too. Every so often, I even still run across a website with a Flash front-end. All that says to the world, is that whoever designed that site is completely clueless.

If the tool doesn't get the job done and has massive shortcoming, it doesn't matter how familiar you are with it.
stevew928
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9/1/2015 | 3:19:56 PM
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BTW, that was meant to be a reply to @jnskm
larryloeb
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9/1/2015 | 4:05:39 PM
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What a great example about Novell, though.
danielcawrey
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9/3/2015 | 1:28:04 AM
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Flash has been problematic for some time. When Chrome crashes on my laptop, it's always because of Flash. The criticisms that have been out there for some time has been that Adobe hasn't really iterated Flash to deal with the modern web. 

Add in the fact that Flash is indeed used for nefarious reasons and there is a lot of motivation for Google to move on from it. 
larryloeb
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9/3/2015 | 7:21:18 AM
Re: HTML5
I can't disagree with anything you say there.
Li Tan
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9/7/2015 | 11:06:57 AM
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In addition to problems, Flash is a heavy-weight animation platform - everytime it asked me to upgrade, I clicked OK then it took long time. I need to restart my browser as well. HTML5 is in place and I don't think it's necessary to keep Flash in production.
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9/7/2015 | 11:32:17 AM
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Li,

Only those companies who are animation-heavy /Gaming Applications need Flash today.

Everyone else can and should upgrade their websites towards HTML5.

No two words about it today.

 
Ashu001
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9/7/2015 | 11:30:33 AM
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Daniel,

Flash has been the favorite entry-vector for Malware writers for a while now.

I am not really surprised about this annoucement from Google.Both Adobe Flash and Adobe Reader are entering the dark ages of Obsoletion today(unless they up their game decisively to compete with Alternative platforms).

Was reading something else very interesting(in the Financial times) about Youtube today.

Apparently,they are moving towards embedding Code from Advertiser Networks so as to better measure the efficacy of the ads they publish before  videos on Youtube.At the sametime as launching a paid (and ad-free) version of Youtube this move signals a massive change in how Google is looking at monetizing the huge installed base of Videos on Youtube today.

Big,Big Period of Annoucements from Google!

 
Ashu001
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9/7/2015 | 11:25:14 AM
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Steve,

Great explaination.

The Great thing about Technology is that people don't complain and ask for "Protection" when a better competitor comes along.

Its just that everyone moves onto the New System(some earlier and some later).

Just like many other Obsolete pieces of Software,Flash is also inching towards the end.

Slowly at first,Rapidly once major vendors cease support entirely for Flash.

 


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