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Google Says Yelp-Backed Study Is Flawed
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YaarovS134
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YaarovS134,
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6/30/2015 | 3:18:41 PM
Use of polygraph can solve the problem
To clear the problem for good, Google executives and/or search engine designers may want to answer a question while being hooked up to some polygraph.

"Did you people implement universal search in a way that favors Google content over third-party content"?
Broadway0474
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Broadway0474,
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6/30/2015 | 3:30:09 PM
Re: Use of polygraph can solve the problem
The fact that Google is constantly tinkering with its algorithms to me has always indicated flaws and probable conflicts of interest, not improvements. They are so intent on punishing those who appear to be gaming their system --- which usually suggests they themselves are gaming their own system. Take the example of the jealous lover. Usually an individual gets to be overly jealous over their partner, projecting fears and paranoia over cheating ... because he or she is cheating.
tzubair
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tzubair,
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6/30/2015 | 5:44:51 PM
Re: Use of polygraph can solve the problem
"The fact that Google is constantly tinkering with its algorithms to me has always indicated flaws and probable conflicts of interest, not improvements."

@Broadway: I think the fact that Google is constantly tinkering the algorithm is the reason why it has been so succesful in maintaining the lead for so many years. Other competitors have tried so hard to break the leadership but have failed. Google must be doing something right which has led this to happen.
tzubair
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tzubair,
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6/30/2015 | 6:16:36 PM
Does it matter?
Does it really matter if Google promotes its own services on top? Out of the millions of searches made on Google, how many of these would require Google's own products/services to be placed on top - I think only a handful. If that's the case then I don't think there's any reason to blame Google for. It's a free search engine and if that's their model of generating revenue then so be it. 
Ariella
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Ariella,
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7/1/2015 | 7:50:47 AM
Re: Does it matter?
@tzubair search is not as straight-forward as we think. I spoke at length with someone developing ways to make search more amenable to human search terms for ecommerce. He showed me how even a pretty basic search on a retailer's own site will be skewed by the brands that pay to be promoted. We ran bikini for beach on Target's site. The only swimsuits that came up were the ones under the Vanilla Beach label. Without that, similar searches turned up DVD titles and other stuff for all first page results. This is even the case on a landing page that promotes the bikinis for summer.
jqb
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jqb,
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7/1/2015 | 9:18:28 PM
Re: Does it matter?
I have tried DuckDuckGo, and I consider it worse than Bing or Yahoo, I got more junk results with those two than Google. I went back to Google.

JB
Ariella
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Ariella,
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7/2/2015 | 8:30:32 AM
Re: Does it matter?
@jqb thanks for giving us the benefit of your experience. Once in a while I try Bing but don't find it markedly differently from Google.
mak63
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mak63,
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6/30/2015 | 9:56:47 PM
Funny
I did four searches using the major search engines. Named, Bing, Google, Yahoo and I added DuckDuckGo. The queries were: News, Translate, Maps and the song Hurt by Christina Aguilera. The 3 major search engines gave me the same result on top, so did DuckDuckGo.
News: Google News
Translate: Google Translate
Maps Google Maps
Hurt: A video on Youtube
I'm not sure what to make of it.
Ariella
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Ariella,
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7/1/2015 | 7:44:34 AM
Re: Funny
@mak63 Interesting. I've been meaning to check out DuckDuckGo. It's supposed not track your searches the way Google does.
Midnight
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Midnight,
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7/1/2015 | 7:46:28 PM
Anticompetive behavior vs market forces
This is a discussion I have been waiting to see happen for years. The question is whether Google can control a market via a "free" (as in no cost to consumers) set of services it provides that can only be obtained by the consumer taking specific actions to choose to use the service, or are competitors complaining because the solutions they are presenting to consumers are inferior enough that the consumers do not trust them and are not willing to take the equal specific action steps to use their services.

This sooo reeks of "Atlas Shrugged" mentality in the veiled discussions and "studies" that the complaining companies would better serve themselves and consumers by studying what Google has done in the overall search "experience." To demand placement rank - whether deserved or not - is the same as K-mart demanding that it's products get equal shelf space in a Macy's store. Oh, and suing Macy's for not doing as they demand.

While I have my own issues with Google, I do have to give them the respect and praise for the R&D work they have been doing for decades on their products. If relative newcomers to the market have catch-up to do, well... welcome to the real world. To insist that a company degrades an offering it makes as a free service for all, just so your inferior product looks better, benefits no one.

Consumers choose what they like. If it's a "free" service they are merciless in expectations and quality. If you aren't chosen, then your only real option is to fix what your market does not like that may be as simple as a single color.

I say, "Go Google! Set the bar high and keep relevancy of results the only thing that matters. Make your competitors compete and improve their products."
jqb
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jqb,
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7/1/2015 | 9:21:46 PM
Consider the source... "Yelp Sponsored"
I would take anything Yelp says with a gigantic grain of salt. Yelp is a very shady outfit, if you ask me. If you or your business ever gets a bad post on Yelp, and you contact them about it, out comes the hard sell to "get more positive reviews" by paying (in my opinion) extortion money.

JB

 


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