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@Lorna, I think you need to have hosts (not guests) in the 100s for it to start making sense. That's not to say that people don't "cloudwash" their buckets of virtualization and call it private cloud... but unless it's automated and responds to an API call, it's not really cloud.
@Brian.Dean, also, I wouldn't be so quick to say that SaaS costs less all of the time. We are in the middle of considering a switch from one SaaS to another, and it's 4x the cost, and it's making us think about hosting it internally. Still haven't finished analysis, but that's how it's looking so far.
@Brian wouldn't that be really dependent upon the application and existing hardware in place? I've seen some instances where it actually made sense to just keep it in house (mostly because someone had gotten crazy with budgetary spends the previous year, so hardware was just sitting there unused). Of course that's certainly an outlier.
Oooh, good point. I'm fascinated by the concept of IT going back to original paradigms, especially given how much disruption there is in the marketplace in terms of technological advances. Whenever someone points out that "it's like we used to do it, only with a different name" I always perk up.
Lorna, I think that our board is happy that we can respond quickly. I presume that they're happy that our budget is 1.75% of organizational spend, and our cloud computing efforts are definitely a part of that.
@Wendy, it depends upon how it is set up. For example, our disaster recovery servers are behind an IaaS firewall that only allows logins from specified locations. FWIW, I think designing for no perimeter makes for better overall security anyway. Depending upon the perimeter makes it easier for an insider to do damage. Right?
I've seen a claim that the move to cloud is forcing IT back into the old security mindset we used to have in the 90's, the way we lived before everyone had firewalls. You now have your server on an exposed domain and anyone can create a log in... is that accurate?
Re competitive market space and IaaS, each provider wants to lock customers in. So they offer goodies that are easy to use but that make your code break if you move it off their service. (are you dependent on the AWS DNS service? Etc.)
@Lorna, I believe Joe Emison had a really great webinar on IW for breaking up with Oracle. Maybe something like "How to break up with your cloud provider"? I'd watch that! ("Dear AWS, it's not you, it's us....")
@wendy, re ops challenges, I think they're largely cultural. Traditional infra people feel like only recently is everything humming along great with virtualization mgmt, now we're going to BLOW IT UP AND MOVE IT TO THE CLOUD??? What, are you nuts? ;)
I'd actually be curious to know your feelings on AWS versus Azure -- they keep lowering the prices and I wonder if SMBs will be lured into creating private clouds, not fully understanding the cost creep that can occur when they have projects that go out of control.
Lorna, to your point about substantial line item: marketing classes teach that you don't charge someone on a cost basis, you charge them for value delivered, e.g. AS HIGH AS THE MARKET WILL BEAR, ... LOL. But, if you're still saving money, it's a good thing.
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