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October 28 - Day 5: Making the Most Of the Cloud
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Well said, OmegaGeode!

Author

TODAY only 30% use encryption??  How is it even possible for companies to do so and not be out of business in today's digital world?

Apprentice

Encryption needs a lot more focus. ONl;y 30 percent of large companies have any encryption... that's putting out a sign saying "Hack me!"

Author

Lorna,

I appplaud the Provo, Utah, approach where they offered up their fibre for provider competition.

The Telcos hide behind fluff like benmoaning how expensive it would be to put fibre into the distant hinterland. They are right, but deliberately fudging the issue. The need for speed is in the cities. A good start is to service the business areas of those cities, then build out over time.

Author

@Lorna, Chatanooga did this a couple years ago, it still wasn't easy and the carriers still don't seem to have caught on.

Ninja

SaneIT...I agree with you...that's a future topic...I suspect it needs a couple of lectures!

Author

We need to get serious about breaking monopoly status of local providers, via muni services if no other option

 

Author

That's certainly an interesting combination of backgrounds, and I'd be surprised to find many other people who split their focus that many ways.

Apprentice

Jim, is that the topic of another talk?  Big Data is easily as big as any Cloud talk.

Ninja

On another topic:

The Big Data skills issue will be a major pain over the next few years. An expert defines as a programmer/analyst with a background in Big Data technologies, psychology, retailing, marketing and data management. That's a tall order!!!

Author

OmegaGeode....It will take real competition ot stimulate the infrastructure competitiveness. This hasn't been an option until recently, when Google broke the mold. Most services enjoy monopoly staus as a result of Federal and local laws.

Author

If the hardware I need drops in price, yes, it pushes me to a hybrid solution. 

Ninja

COTS gear is moving to a 3 to 4 year life-cycle. The corollaries of Moore's Law are that performance/watt increases 4x in 3 years, as do SYSTEM-level performance per server, which translates into performance/admin.

On some areas Moore's Law is being upstaged. GPUs are speeding up at the rate of 5x every 2 years, for instance, and bulk HDD capacity is also on a fast track.

Author

and yes, the lack of speed with which America's infrastructure is growing has been a growing concern for a while, but what will it take to change that?

Apprentice

SaneIt...does your picture change if the hardware is 30 percent cheaper? And if disk drives are $35/Terabyte?

Author

Also, ideally, more clouds will be added as they come into existence (after a safety period to watch and evaluate) - but Nine nines does ahve a certain ring to it

Apprentice

Lorna made a good point.US WAN infrastructure is expensive and slow compared with a number of countries, notably Korea, where 1 Gigabit Fiber at $35 /month is readily available in big cities.

We need to keep up...data will be the single biggest product in our economy in 5 years. 

Author

What? Not "Nine Nines" -- a play on FIve Nines.

Author

Jim, I can see the shorter cycle working for the big CSPs but sadly my budget is much lower than theirs.  That means I have longer life cycles and it gets a little tougher to break even.

Ninja

I'm tentatively titling it CloudSystem till I get far enough to regiaster a name

Apprentice

SaneIt, megas CSPs are on short lifecycles already. This is driven by the very low cost of hardware they enjoy and by the need to avoud building new facilities and consume yet more megawatts.

The inexpensive systems are coming to the general market. The ODMs in China who serve Google and AWs are moving into the US end-user market.

Author

@Lorna, 9clouds is already taken.  I got confused when that was brought up.

Ninja

I have looked at several, but none offer all the functionality I have manually implemented -- I envision a single app interface that allows both vertical and horizontal arrays of cloud setups, with vertical arrangements backing up the same data to multiple clouds, and hjorizontal layouts separating items by pre-defined (or customdefined) rules - such as music and video to one cloud, general data storage in a vertical tier, group projects in a separate horizontal cloud, etc.  Have I simply not researched enough to find one or am I just adding a layer of complexity to whats already done?  Or does it sound like a new concept?  @SaneIT I keep all 9 running continuously on my desktop, use one of them primarily on most devices, use 2 of them as priimary backups when I have a problem with the primary or am using a device not supported by the primary, and leave the rest to attend every 6 months as I do a regular full local external backup

Apprentice

Nine clouds - the editor in me is already thinking about names

Author

OmegaGeode, the idea you describe of rolling the upgrades and spreading them out over the 4 years is a good one. You are alos right about moving older equipment out to other departments or selling it off.

Author

@OmegaGeode, I was thinking something like Zapier might be your friend to tie some of these together.  I don't know what 9 apps you ae using but how often do you have to go to each apps UI?

Ninja

One key question is where your clouds reside. Geo-diversity is crucial for Disaster Recovery. Some of these operatrion co-locate or even use a mega-CSPs service. Even AWS co-locates several zones in the same physical location.

Author

OmegaGeode, You might want to look at a Cloud backup appliance or at a software package. These can talk to a set of clouds, and policies can dictate how many replicas and how data flows

Author

EVen using a common key is better than no encryption!

 

Author

Who owns YOUR encryption keys. Most of you don't encrypt anything. That has to change. You WILL be hacked, though public clouds are safe compared to your in-house operations. But you can't hand over the keys to a third party!

Author

@Lorna, exactly, when running all 9 pieces separate.  @SaneIT - I hadn't heard about Heartbleed - I'll have to look it up.

Apprentice

WAN bandwidth is also an issue, right?

Author

The point of who owns the keys is one of my earlier conerns, Heartbleed showed us that not every security professional with a cloud based offering is prepared.

Ninja

Performance - this topic is the key to my point!!!

Apprentice

I started just creating my personal system manually, using the apps provided by each cloud and configuring it all on my system, finding the bugs or problems in the way they implement it, and saw a target audience among all the IT geeks/nerds/powerusers like myself who have multiple cloud service accounts provided "bundled" with other products - I use 9 clouds all backing up the same data for redundant backups accessible from any of mulitple access points - via any of the 9 cloud's app's, or through any of their web interfaces, but I have to use 9 different pieces of software continuously to maintain my data structure. - I see the benefit of using only 1 piece of software, but if I'm the only geek that would use it, it's not worth making a large-scale development project.

Apprentice

You'll be surprised to find how non-standard standards are right now.  I want to say the Azure for example can import VMWare images but try going the other way...

Ninja

But isn't the ability to move data related to the ability to integrate -- all dependent on standards?

Author

@OmegaGeode, I think it's more important that you can easily move your resources not so much that you spread them around.

Ninja

@Lorna, I'm in the concept design phase of a multi-cloud integration service, which is why I felt this talk might be beneficial to attend, and I'm still putting out feelers for IT professional's feelings/thoughts to make sure I dont waste a significant amount of time on a worthless project.

Apprentice

Inertia is a powerful force.

Author

To me it makes more sense to introduce a rotation schedule - There will be those departments with the greatest need of the newest systems, and there will be others that can easily use older systems.  Down-convert the old systems when you buy the newest equipment for the top needs tiers, instead of replacing equipment company-wide every 4 years.

Apprentice

@Omega, interesting definition of hybrid.

Author

I know the lifecycle is important but let's be honest who scraps all of their hardware every 4-5 years?

Ninja

Do you see value in building Hybrid clouds that utilize multiple external cloud services rather than a single external and single internal?

Apprentice

The local hospital group model is pretty inventive.  I wonder how many smaller practices would love to be able to reduce their footprint by piggybacking off of a much larger hospital owned system.

Ninja

Having someone else who is dedicated to security is a plus but you also have to trust them and that they are actually doing what they promise.  Heartbleed taught us how that goes sometimes.

Ninja

Seems like the only thing that could bring AWS down is a major, damaging breach

Author

Without virtualization there is no cloud. So thank VMware ...

Author

i think it's more that virtualization makes it easier to load-balance cloud system servers.

Apprentice

So, to even talk clouds we have to bring in virtulization?  Or is it just that virtualization has made it much easier to bring cloud based offerings.

Ninja

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Apprentice

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Ninja

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Looks like I made it here before Curt today.

Ninja


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