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October 22 - Day 2: Squeeze the Most Out of Virtualization
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It's the top of the hour. Thank you everyone. I hope to see you all tomorrow.

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Prashant had a question on cost. Virtualization is inexpensive. It's the layers of management that build up the cost, so KISS is a good approach for the mid-tier. That will be an issue for SDN and SDS to overcome as they crystalize out of the hype.

Author

Microservers are an alternative to virtualization or containers. The concept seems flawed...microservers cost more and are inflexible with workload. They may fit some applications but not general cloud depolyment.

Author

Lorna, I think there are two desktop models. The one I like is the tablet (and perhaps smartphone or TV), with ChromeOS or Android or IOS, running as a display unit to the server /desktop in the cloud. That gives all the desktop capabilities plus compute power on demand (no more gamer versus work machines!)

The PC model with local disks just doesn't fit today's mobile world. It has security issues that cn't easily be controlled in the enterprise, and it costs a lot more...plus you need the mobile anyway!

Author

SaneIT, IBM and Azure just exchanged protestations of mutual love today and are getting together. IBM and MS both are talking up the app environment. It's hard to call the winners on thsi one, except that both approaches will be much more attractive

Author

Another VDI issue seems to me to be platform -- iOS, Chrome OS, Android. If desktops can't run on these devices, end users will not see the benefit.

Author

SaneIT I'd know the rope!!!

 

Author

SaneIt. You can get past the "30 patches issue" if you storage supports cloned images.

Author

I would be lynced if I suggested using Google Apps.

Ninja

Jim, do you think that Microsoft's latest push to get applications into Azure will get the VDI ball rolling?  Or do you think VMWare with Horizon will be closer to the answer?

 

Ninja

SaneIT ---use Google Apps instead :))

Author

Lorna, you had a good question on hiring top notch security pros.

That's an issue even for Enterprises. I think the answer is to go to SaaS vendors and specialized tools vendors and buy the solutions.

Knowing what to buy still needs skills, but there will be specialist service providers and consultants that create a pre-integrated solution. Cloud approaches make that easier because thye are standardized so much.

Author

If you decide to do a large scale virtulization be ready for a lot of talks with Microsoft's licensing group if you run Windows, Exchange, Sharepoint, Office...

Ninja

MS licenses reflect Microsoft's schizoid nature...the sell code and they license code. There's a fear (rightly) that one will cannibalize the other.   Likely these are different divisions too!

Author

That alone would make them worth taking a look at.  That is still one of the areas we have to keep up with.  30 VMs running on a single host still have to apply a patch 30 times.

Ninja

@saneit. Containers should have a single OS patch per server

Author

Does this mean patching a single OS instance per container?

Ninja

Ah yes, the problem of stale VMs.

Author

That's one of the biggest reasons I hear people give for not looking at VDI, apps that just won't make the transition and the cost of replacing them.

Ninja

@Lorna, Microsoft likes to say that they've simplified their licensing for virtual environments, but that's rather like saying that they've simpllified n-dimensional string theory. It's still a nightmare -- just a different nightmare than their physical client licensing.

Strategist

Microsoft licensing is a nightmare for anything.  I wouldn't say double down but I would say keep your eyes open.  We go through cycles of fat and thin clients, right now a majority of the world is carrying a thin client in their pocket.

Ninja

So sounds like you think that it makes sense for a midmarket company to double down on VDI. Isn't Microsoft licensing a nightmare for virtual desktops?

Author

@Lorna, I think that eventually Remote Apps on Azure will gain some traction.

Ninja

Wow, you think VDI will strengthen? Interesting.

Author

From a security side, usually expertise, even if the public provider is doing their best you still have someone at your company managing access and connections.  That causes issues no matter where your cloud lives.

Ninja

@SaneIT, I think that's a great question. It really gets to the issues of all sorts that differentiate between "consumer-grade" cloud services and those intended for enterprise use.

Strategist

Is it equipment or expertise -- how can small companies afford to hire top-notch security pros?

Author

@Lorna, I blame technology for as much as possible.

Strategist

hmm, public cloud is safer?  How about the time to notify users when there is an issue?

Ninja

@Curt - I am blaming tech because Outlook did not launch an alarm

 

Author

@Lorna, you have to write "I will not be late for class" 500 times on the virtual blackboard.

Strategist

Hi All! Sorry I am a few minutes late!

 

Author

It sounds like we're about to go the way of Amazon and start using every PC in the company as part of our cloud.

Ninja

How about COST saving as Benefits of Virtualizing !

 

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Just about one minute to go!

Strategist

I'm about in the same boat, some stuff I goton sale from Whole Foods run through the Keurig down the hall.  

Ninja

Hey, @SaneIT -- it's great to see you! I've got a cup of Gevalia House Blend on the desk today. It was on sale at the supermarket and I'm finding that it's not at all bad for "work coffee."

Strategist

Good afternoon, going to make some coffee before this one starts.  Need to be alert.

Ninja

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