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SAP's McDermott: Say Goodbye To 'Too Complex'
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Alison_Diana
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6/4/2014 | 10:28:30 AM
Simple is in
I was also at the show, standing among some users and partners, who voiced enthusiasm for McDermott's message. While several said it's premature to know how well the message will translate into reality, they admired his honesty and the refreshing tone of his presentation. His announcement that Fiori will now be free was greeted with applause, even in a viewing area removed from the central stage. 
D. Henschen
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6/4/2014 | 10:36:37 AM
Re: Simple is in
I spoke to a Uniliver exec -- a global SAP user -- and he said of McDermott's "simple" message, "that's brave coming from SAP... I'm going to use that in my discussions with SAP CRM execs." Uniliver has taken several years to consolidate more than a dozen ERP systems into four regional deployments. A project to implement new mobile sales apps, aided by Infosys, has taken 2 years. Make no mistake: SAP's technology is complex. That won't change quickly.
Alison_Diana
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6/4/2014 | 10:45:55 AM
Re: Simple is in
Exactly, Doug! It's very easy to say a company's products are going to be simple, not quite that easy to make it real especially when those products have a reputation for being the polar opposite. While McDermott got points for publicly recognizing the widely known point that SAP's producs have been complex, he'd better have some compelling user stories to share 12 months from now.
Charlie Babcock
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6/4/2014 | 3:10:13 PM
SAP Hana Enterprise Cloud sounds like managed hosting
If you can carry all your customizations into the SAP Hana Enterprise Cloud, that sounds like managed hosting to me. You get your own copy of the application running remotely, and your customizations somehow will appear in it, probably through a remote scan and upload. That's not software as a Service, and SaaS was the only term in the cloud lexicon that was a candidate to be used with this offering. There's nothing wrong with your own remote copy of Hana Enterprise Cloud. You just won't realize the efficiencies and savings of a multi-tenant SaaS architecture. Among other things, your copy has to run all the time; you won't be able to start and stop it at will. Or possibly I misunderstood something. Would SAP like to dispute that?
Laurianne
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6/4/2014 | 5:19:46 PM
Re: SAP Hana Enterprise Cloud sounds like managed hosting
Excellent questions, Charlie. Let's get some clarity on that.
Brian.Dean
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6/4/2014 | 11:18:08 PM
Re: Simple is in
I am wondering, what makes SAP's technology complex. It is because it deals with financial information and re-modeling a simpler technology from the ground up would just result in re-doing work while, gaining no efficiency -- much in the same way how banks are trapped with COBOL.
D. Henschen
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6/5/2014 | 8:36:33 AM
Re: SAP Hana Enterprise Cloud sounds like managed hosting
Charlie, SAP's Hana Enterprise Cloud platform is a managed-service, hosting environment on Hana. It's private cloud, so it's possible to carry forward your customizations. Where SaaS vendors get their economies of scale from providing a single service that users can configure, SAP says its economies are gained through Hana, which offers columnar compression and the elimination of separate infrastructure for transaction processing and analytical processing. That's the story and they're sticking to it. The example shared in the story is SAP's own deployment, and the claim that an 11-terabyte system previously required to run SAP's own ERP footprint became a 2-terabyte footprint with Hana. If true, that's a pretty significant gain in efficiency.
CarolineO304
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6/5/2014 | 8:37:31 AM
My take on... (former SAP Customers' Ambassador worldwide, working on SAP Public Trial)
Bill, I am saying Goodbye to the business plan of SAP Corporate - corruption and criminal harassment... 

"I want a public trial, buddy. Until you end up behind bars; with Plattner in the same cell, can you picture it?" Excerpt from the Season 2 of SAP Criminal Minds at leoapotheker-mylife [dot] com.  

 

 
anon1030790470
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6/5/2014 | 9:43:34 PM
Re: SAP Hana Enterprise Cloud sounds like managed hosting
I think McDermott must be talking about SAP's BW on HANA, that is if he's not just a sales guy talking through his hat.  Suite on HANA gets much lower compression ratios, the sizing guide says to assume just 2x compression and you don't get the benefit of dropped indexes either (unlike BW).


A problem is that HANA is such a loose concept now that it's hard to know what SAP means, and I suspect that suits them. My assumption is that SAP on HANA in Cloud will be utilizing the full range of HANA technologies - Sybase ASE for Suite since runs on cheaper hardware to run and seems to have better transactional throughput than the HANA database; HANA database for BW with near real-time feeds from the transactional systems.  Possibly IQ for NLS if needed.  That's how I'd do it at least, to save a fortune on hardware.  Since it's in the cloud, the customer won't need to know about this behind the scenes complexity.


Doug, do you know if this assumption is correct, or are both BW and Suite truly hosted entirely on HANA database?
anon1030790470
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6/5/2014 | 9:44:46 PM
Re: My take on... (former SAP Customers' Ambassador worldwide, working on SAP Public Trial)
Do tell on please!  What exactly is your gripe?!
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